| ▲ | drnick1 a day ago |
| Electric cars aren't cheap, and electricity prices are very high in Europe. |
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| ▲ | zejn a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not true. No new car is cheap, and electricity is now cheaper than gas or diesel. |
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| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent | next [-] | | My parents just bought a new BYD Dolphin, and it cost 3 EUR to go 150 km, whereas my diesel car costs 15 EUR for the same route. I don't know how people can say electric cars aren't cheaper. It's a 5x difference! | | |
| ▲ | jopsen a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The initial car is more expensive. You'll typically make it up, but it depends on how much you drive. And you have to pay interest on larger car loan. But in practice, yes, when charging at home EVs are dirty cheap to charge. The total cost of ownership (toc) for an EV is much lower. But you are paying it all upfront. | | |
| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't know about that, this car cost 23k EUR which is cheaper than a VW Polo, which is roughly in the same category. | | |
| ▲ | jopsen a day ago | parent [-] | | That is cheap.. But there is are lots of people buying a used car for 10k Regardless, I do a agree, EV is absolutely the way to go. |
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| ▲ | joquarky a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Electric cars are mechanically simpler. |
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| ▲ | zejn a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, if you're buying a new car, electric makes sense if at all possible. But a lot of people are not buying new cars, because new cars are not cheap. There's a saying that a new car loses half of its value the moment it's driven away from the dealership. But I agree, operational costs of an EV can be much lower, if you can charge at home rates. | |
| ▲ | zeroonetwothree a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m sure your specific circumstances apply to everyone else equally | | |
| ▲ | stavros a day ago | parent [-] | | Oh you're right, these cars and this fuel pump are made exclusively for me. |
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| ▲ | hyperman1 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | We're looking for a new car. I'd love to go electrical, but there are a few problems: 1) I have no garage and no parking space next to my home. I can't charge it. 2) We have no trustworthy garage for repairs. It turns out the garage regulations require a separate space for electrical forcsafety, and nobody has room to expand. Apart from that, electricity in Belgium is expensive. I did the math on swapping our gas heater for a heat pump, but I'd pay more for energy even of the amount of watts is so much lower. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| BYD EVs are affordable. Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables, oil will not. |
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| ▲ | haunter a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Define affordable. A €40k Seal is anything but affordable. Eastern Europe (and I don't put Slovenia in this case here, they are much closer to Western Europe in every sense) will not mass change to EVs suddenly when everyone is shopping for 10 years old diesels from Western Europe for maximum €10k | | |
| ▲ | 7952 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | New cars have questionable affordability for most people. Particularly when you factor in dubious design choices and expensive marketing. Cars and driving are expensive. If that was a barrier there wouldn't be many people on the road. Also, the Electric polo is supposed to be released at around 25k Euros. Given the lower running costs that seems like a good deal relative to legacy designs. For all those people will to spend 40k on a car you could put the money into solar panels instead. | |
| ▲ | Lio a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you think the Seal isn't affordable then don't buy one. You can buy a brand new Dacia Spring for only £12,240. Personally I don't think it's a great car but it's certainly doesn't cost 40K. If it were my money I'd spend a bit more on either a used Jag ePace or a Renault 5 but some people prefer new cars I guess. | | |
| ▲ | genxy a day ago | parent [-] | | Thanks for the nerd snipe! I just found the Citroen e-C3, for a couple thousand more than the Spring. Both look fine. They should just be station wagons, but this is our timeline. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Define affordable. Cheaper than the total cost of ownership of a combustion vehicle at $150-$200/barrel for prolonged periods of time. Are We Approaching an Unprecedented Energy Crisis? - https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/dispatch-energy/iran-war-... - March 26th, 2026 France confirms oil crisis, says 30-40 percent of Gulf energy infrastructure destroyed - https://www.france24.com/en/france-confirms-oil-crisis-says-... - March 25th, 2026 Even the best-case scenario for energy markets is disastrous - https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2026/03/22/e... | https://archive.today/5OhRI - March 22nd, 2026 |
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| ▲ | gib444 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Electricity will get cheaper with more renewables Citation? | | |
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