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solarkraft 3 hours ago

> The best anyone can hope for is a free market, with everything properly priced. But for decades, the American market has not been free. It’s used purposefully added friction to exploit a time asymmetry between the business and you. And due to things like call centers, this has been very profitable for the businesses. Cable companies and insurance rely on the fact that your time is more valuable than theirs. They can hire people in India at scale to waste your time.

That is the market being free, George.

nine_k an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The market actually is not very free, because large companies increasingly use their weight to pull off things that smaller companies or individual customers cannot afford: lobby to obtain preferences, tax exemptions, exclusive deals, other favors that violate or at least skirt the law.

But running a call center overseas is not one of these things.

dpark 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People often confuse “free” with “fair”.

altairprime 3 hours ago | parent [-]

People often confuse “free” with “unregulated”, too.

adi_kurian 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

No they don't. That is the very definition.

bigbadfeline 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

>> People often confuse “free” with “unregulated”, too. >No they don't. That is the very definition.

Using that definition amounts to classifying all real markets as non-free.

Unregulated markets cannot exists in reality or in a sound theory, only in wishy-washy fairy tales.

readthenotes1 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

My understanding of the definition of a "free" market is it would have almost no external regulation.

However, a "unregulated free market" is nearly impossible--somw player will eventually drive out competition to maximize profits and some will not be troubled at harming or killing their customers in the name of immediate profit (tobacco, sugared drinks, talc powder, and round-up come to mind immediately but the list is very long).

Is market with enough regulations to ensure competitiveness and transaction transparency (including long-term consequences) truly "free"?

psadauskas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A "free market" is one in which all the participants of the market have perfect information and act completely rationally. This is, of course, an academic ideal, similar to solving a physics problem that tells you to ignore friction.

What we have is a "capitalist market", where those with more power (capital) within the market leverage it to exploit the other participants. Capitalists use their money to extract as much money as possible from a segment of the market, usually destroying it in the process. But for a beautiful moment in time they created a lot of value for shareholders!

schubidubiduba 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No. The market being free would mean that a private person can also hire Indians to call companies.

triceratops 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No law against doing that. You could use Fiverr for it right now.

bdangubic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what's stopping them from doing so?

antonymoose 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don’t want to give private data up to and including my social security number for verification to start.

lisper 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What is stopping them?