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embedding-shape 4 hours ago

> To this day we don't know what actually happened.

I feel like we know enough already. A school was bombed, the ones who did it sucks big time and should be held responsible. Currently, the US and Israel is waging a war against Iran, and one of them dropped the bomb(s), unless suddenly Iran got their hands on American weapons, then that needs to be investigated too, because someone surely dropped the ball at that point.

The basics remain the same, investigations have to be launched to figure out where exactly in the chain of command, someone made a mistake, and then hold that person(s) responsible for their fuck up.

Have those investigations been launched?

shykes 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it's likely that the explosion was caused by a US strike. But we don't actually know for sure that that's what happened - the US government has not confirmed it.

We also don't know anything about casualties - we only have the IRGC statements, and they are not reliable.

> Have those investigations been launched?

Yes, according to the US government, an investigation is underway. But its starting point is determining what caused the explosion.

YZF 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How long does it take to look at the coordinates programmed into the cruise missiles? Or to review existing satellite imagery for the location and other intelligence sources?

If this was a school (which seems likely at this point) and if this was a US TLAM that hit it (which also seems likely at this point) then we should expect a lot of casualties when it's hit during school time (which also seems likely). And yes, we shouldn't trust what the IRGC is saying.

I think I'm on your side but in this case the correct course of action for the US would have been to quickly own up to the mistake. There is really not a lot of ambiguity here. This doesn't seem to be a case like "shots were fired from the school window" or some sort of dual use with IRGC having offices in the school. If there was a reason for the targeting then presumably we'd have a statement about it already.

Mistakes can be made and are always made in war. Leaving this open like this is damaging to the war effort.

basisword an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>> the US government has not confirmed it

What have they done to deserve your trust? They started a war that they deny is a war. They told us a year ago they set Iran back a decade. Then they tell us 9 months later they're weeks from a nuclear bomb. I wouldn't trust the warmongers to admit they're child killers.

shykes 29 minutes ago | parent [-]

I haven't said anything about trusting them. I am simply correcting statements about what the US has supposedly "admitted".

It's one thing to say "I think the US did XYZ".

It's quite another to say "It is an objective truth that the US did XYZ, in fact they even admitted it".

Transposed to the Guardian, if they want to write "we think the US did XYZ", they should clearly frame it as an opinion piece. Instead they are writing "it is an objective truth that the US did XYZ" - which is false. That is journalistic malpractice.