I actually hope “product people” won’t be involved as long as possible. “Product people” is mostly a reason of our current state of enshitification of most of the products. I would actually try my best to gatekeep.

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voxl 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Product people" have long been involved, it's called Ubuntu and SteamOS.

Do we think these companies aren't selling anything??

	▲	mikkupikku 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Ubuntu is a good example of why you don't let "product people" near the thing, Ubuntu is not even remotely the most noob appropriate distro but costs on marketting. As for SteamOS, Valve does many things which everybody else fails at, so they're not a good model for typical outcomes.

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Tostino 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You really think it's product people pushing enshitification rather than the people who want to financialize every aspect of our lives?

Every product person I have worked with was just a SME in their domain, and pushed for a cohesive piece of software that solved their (users) needs.