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Manuel_D 3 hours ago

Palantir builds software that customers use to work with their own data. Custody of the data remains with the customer.

This is like saying a hospital that uses Excel is handing over data to Microsoft.

catoc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You’re calling people who critique Palantir “borderline Q-Anon” ?

While you yourself think Palantir’s products are “like Excel” ?

They are not. Source: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...

Manuel_D 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm calling people insinuating that Peter Thiel is going to use orbital weapons to assassinate people, as commenters in this thread are doing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47536467 are indeed borderline Q anon.

Also, I don't see anything in your link that contradicts the fact that governments' data remains in the custody of the government, not Palantir.

therobots927 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Q anon was wrong about the details but at a high level a lot of it was confirmed by the Epstein files.

Peter Thiel shows up A LOT in those files. I don’t think it’s out of the question that he would use palantir’s data to assassinate people.

fn-mote an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That linked thread doesn’t support your argument. Re-read it.

Lucasoato 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn’t accurate, Palantir business model includes mass surveillance for military/security purposes; if a company is concerned with privacy should think twice before handling it to Palantir, even if with all the assurances they might give in terms of data governance.

Manuel_D 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> This isn’t accurate, Palantir business model includes mass surveillance for military/security purposes;

You realize that this is not mutually exclusive with what I just wrote?

Palantir builds software for military and security purposes. But the customers don't give this data to Palantir, custody of this data remains with the customer.

rTX5CMRXIfFG an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Heh, the fact that they aren’t mutually exclusive is the problem. Why give someone with mass surveillance ops in other domains access to yet another domain?

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bluefirebrand an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even if Palantir only "processes" the data you have to assume they are making their own copies of it if they want to

It's not like tech companies deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trust anymore, if they ever did

jgalt212 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Palantir builds software for military and security purposes. But the customers don't give this data to Palantir, custody of this data remains with the customer.

How is that possible if Palantir software runs on machines Palantir controls?

ej88 an hour ago | parent [-]

1. on prem 2. extremely strict data controls, if one of palantirs big customers found out data got leaked people are going to prison

luma 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Amen.

People seem to struggle with the concept of private datacenters these days. Palantir customers tend to be the sorts of orgs that are pretty paranoid about their data, and they wouldn't be handing it over to some schmucks without being confident that those concerns were addressed. Militaries and governments generally aren't fuckin around with things like intelligence data, so I think it's reasonable that Palantir is able to make a convincing case to the world's most paranoid orgs that their data isn't being sent anywhere (and it'd likely be air gapped anyway).

Just because everything you touch is in the cloud doesn't mean other orgs aren't still building their own datacenters and then buying software to run inside.

fluidcruft an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You think people go to prison for this sort of thing? How laughably quaint.

basket_horse 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is like saying a Swiss bank would share your secrets because shady people use Swiss banks. No. Confidentiality is literally built into their business model. Getting caught sharing customer data is one of the fastest ways for their business to crumble.

fzeroracer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How many times are we gonna have to see businesses get caught sharing customer data before we learn to not just trust them?

NetMageSCW an hour ago | parent [-]

What software from what companies do you use to store your personal data?

timacles 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I’m sorry what? Confidentiality is built into palantirs business model? Do you even know who Palantir is? Your analogy makes zero sense

What’s up with all these Palantir shills in this thread

fluidcruft an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

According to the article:

> It also includes a line stating that with permission from the city agency, Palantir can “de-identify” patients’ protected health information and use it for “purposes other than research”.

Under HIPPA, "research" has a very specific definition which renders "purposes other than research" quite broad. Yes, it's "with permission" but it does depend on the city agency fully understanding what ancillary things Palantir can do with de-identified data once it has left the covered entity and without further explicit permission.

pvtmert 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

while I understand the meaning here, modern Excel does handover data to Microsoft (via Copilot)...

OJFord 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And 365 (I'm sure there is an on-premises version, but when not).

jazzyjackson an hour ago | parent [-]

I really have never heard of on prem 365 deployments, I think any confidentiality is handled via contracted promises with legal ramifications for breaking. With Azure GovCloud for instance there’s no encryption / user key custody on the one drive side, everything you do is uploaded to Microsoft and they maintain keys, they just hire people who passed a background check to run the infrastructure, US nationals only etc

Spooky23 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

There is on prem office.

Government and 365 is weird.

Non-military entities use “Government Community Cloud”, which is an environment where data is stored in segmented areas of Microsoft data centers, but everything else is on commercial infrastructure.

You absolutely can host keys as a customer.

The Microsoft approach to all of this stuff is insane.

nojito an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not for org/enterprise licenses.

amlib an hour ago | parent [-]

There is virtually no consequences or accountability when big-tech companies share private data. For crying out loud, they were caught red handed sharing private data from their EU endeavors.

If even sovereign states with clear laws forbidding such behavior can't keep those companies in check, no enterprise/b2b can.

Manuel_D 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Users choose whether to use Copilot, and are free to decline it's use.

auxiliarymoose 2 hours ago | parent [-]

How do I decline it?? I keep clicking no, hide, not interested, cancel, etc. but it keeps showing up and activating...if I had a nickel for every time I clicked it on accident in Azure because a layout shift moved it under my mouse when trying to press a button I would have a lot of nickels. It even showed up as an app on my phone because I guess the Office 365 entry got hijacked...

mc32 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Your Entra Admin like your Google workspace admin can publish or remove features from user availability.

QuadmasterXLII 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s named evil corp. On purpose.

JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Palantir builds software that customers use to work with their own data

After DOGE, a movement Palantir aided [1], I think it's fair for folks to wonder to what degree these firms have been infiltrated by extremists. Someone who will convince themselves that exporting data to ICE or the Proud Boys—like the names of every New Yorker whose medical records say they are gay, circumcised or have had an abortion—is the right thing to do. (Or at least funny and inconsequential.)

It's a risk. Not a conclusion. But given Palantir's offering is becoming less differentiated by the day, I think it's fair for people to look for alternatives.

[1] https://www.wired.com/story/palantir-doge-irs-mega-api-data/

text0404 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The concern is more with the tools that Palantir creates around the domains they service. They analyze, predict, and shape decisions using unproven technology. Palantir controls insights, models, and outcomes, and given the anti-democratic and frankly unhinged extremist worldviews of the founders, it's highly concerning to allow them to create tools for sensitive and nuanced data that have life or death consequences.

gullies 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I heard that they lock data by using proprietary formats. MSFT does not do that.

easterncalculus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They literally did. XLS was proprietary until Microsoft completely cornered the spreadsheet software market.

nradov 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

In fairness to Microsoft, when the XLS file format was first defined about 40 years ago all of their competitors also used proprietary file formats. Back then open file formats for complex, structured data weren't really a thing. I suppose in theory they could have used SGML but that wouldn't have been very practical given the severely limited hardware resources at the time.

drnick1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

People should not use proprietary formats for obvious reasons, but XLS has been largely reverse engineered.

vovavili 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Locking users behind proprietary data formats is _literally_ the sole point of Microsoft Office.

crimsoneer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They very much do not, you can import/export in pretty much any format you want and they've got a well documented sdk.

https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/ontology-sdk/python-os...

mdni007 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would anyone knowingly use Isreali spyware?

themafia an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Custody of the data remains with the customer.

Yea.. like.. how, though?

Here are their setup instructions. It seems pretty clear what is happening to your data, and an unqualified statement that you maintain some nebulous idea of "custody" seems oblivious to even simple risk.

https://www.palantir.com/docs/foundry/data-connection/initia...

This isn't even getting into their "forward deployed software engineers" or how that whole aspect of their "product" works.

WatchDog 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

You can run it on-prem, where you can actually technologically enforce data custody.

Custody enforcement using the cloud hosted product, is mostly contractual, although they do offer some technical features, like encrypting all data using a AWS KMS key in the customer's AWS account.

Still, this relies on trusting that they won't make their own separate copies of the data.

lukewarm707 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

if custody is with the customer.....why does palantir have compute pricing.....

hmmmmmm

slater an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Custody of the data remains with the customer

pinky promise?

foxes 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you work for palantir?

Manuel_D 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No, but I am curious why this one company gets some much hate. I can get being politically opposed to the conservative politics of some of its founders, but the vast majority of conservative-founded companies don't get nearly as much criticism. A lot of it is seriously borderline Q-anon levels of conspiratorial talk. Just look at the comment in this thread insinuating that Peter Thiel is going to assassinate people with orbital weapons.

schubidubiduba 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The people controlling Palantir are openly anti-democratic. They see technology as a means of controlling and ruling the common folk. They said so, repeatedly, in public, of their own volition.

Manuel_D an hour ago | parent [-]

Can you point to where they have said so? The only one that comes to mind is Thiel's quote from 2009 about democracy being incompatible worth freedom (the populace will vote to remove freedoms, e.g. try to ban AI or other technological advances and whatnot). But pointing out flaws in democracy is a far cry from actual wanting to get rid of democracy.

If he's stated an actual intent to end democracy in the US, it'd be good to cite that.

tombert 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Alex Karp is a deeply unlikable human who talks about how his software is used to kill people, and that he wants to drop a lot of fentanyl-laced urine across all the negative reporters.

detourdog 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also he has stated that critics should be sprayed with fentanyl laced urine.

https://www.thecanary.co/skwawkbox/2026/02/17/palantir-piss/

Why should we feel good about him running any company.

polski-g an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you think there are zero people on earth who need to be killed?

jazzyjackson an hour ago | parent [-]

Certainly we do not need to make those decisions based on fuzzy vector search, probably how the opening salvo of the Iran war ended up killing a hundred school girls

presentation an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hating Palantir without having any idea of what they are is the trendy thing to do. Their leaders are toxic which doesn’t help the case, but the core issue really is just that in this political climate, people all over the western world don’t trust their governments, and it’s also trendy to distrust anyone making money, as well as tech companies - especially those involved in data and AI related businesses - so the fact that Palantir makes these distrusted actors more competent while making money doing it, is seen as siding with the devil.

So it’s a trust problem, if the government were seen as effective and worthy then I want them to be effective, which includes using the data they collect effectively. In this climate trendy people would prefer that their corrupt government is also fully incompetent to limit the effect of the corruption.

Spooky23 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Their founder is a lunatic giving a lecture tour about the anti-Christ and the need to move beyond national-states. The CEO is on some bizarre PR tour where he comes off like a Bond villain.

btown 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your point is well taken, though it's worth pointing out that literally yesterday Palantir was co-awarded a contract for building orbital weapons systems [0].

The broader point is Palantir's specific confluence of:

- access to granular, non-anonymized data across industry silos

- its chairman's specific pro-authoritarian mission (so pointedly so that the Catholic Church felt the need to make a specific rebuke a few days ago [1])

- a regulatory environment in which its monetary risks are arguably minimized if it takes the broadest possible reading of e.g. HIPAA's law enforcement exceptions that mention "written administrative requests" [2]

- documented concerns about governance [3]

Those concerned with this confluence are far from conspiracy theorists, and may be quite rationally interested in protecting e.g. the public reputation of their hospital networks, and ability to service - to say nothing of their desire to protect the privacy of their patients.

[0] https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2026-03-24/and...

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/17/world/europe/peter-thiel-... - https://archive.is/2EOXa

[2] https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/faq/505/what-doe...

[3] https://comptroller.nyc.gov/reports/letter-to-palantir-techn...

remarkEon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Have you considered that a weapons platform like that could be necessary? Or are you just opposed to Palantir being part of it.

AlotOfReading an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This comment is written in an interesting way. If it's unnecessary, the OP's comment is fine. If the platform is "necessary" in some abstract sense, you've avoided articulating that argument by putting the burden back on OP to justify their position.

That seems like an interesting discussion though. Why would it be necessary?

remarkEon 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

There's ample evidence that medium range ballistic missile technology is proliferating, fired from land based systems. It is difficult to intercept these with ground-based launchers. But, if incepting from orbit the probability you score a hit is higher. The catch is that it is a) extremely complex, and b) very expensive to develop and implement a system like this. Enter Palantir and Anduril.

The weight of this argument rests on how much you care about being in range of MRBMs, how likely you think it is that MRBMs will be a decisive factor in a future conflict, and whether or not you want the United States to be victorious in this potential conflict. Many people do not care about this threat, don't think MRBMs will matter, and/or want the United States to lose. I am not one of those people.

twelve40 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

well, there _is_ this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty

"bars states party to the treaty from placing weapons of mass destruction in Earth orbit, installing them on the Moon or any other celestial body, or otherwise stationing them in outer space"

but 1. today's sentiment is: to hell with these treaties-schmeaties, and 2. what you mentioned is not yet a weapon of _mass_ destruction, so we're all good!

jazzyjackson an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Claiming a particular weapons system is “necessary” is war brained. There are other ways of survival besides bombing the shit out of each other.

remarkEon 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

True, I am partial to battle drill 1A.

Manuel_D 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The broader point is Palantir's specific confluence of:

> - access to granular, non-anonymized data across industry silos

Do you have evidence that Palantir itself - not customers using Palantir software - has access to this data?

beepbooptheory an hour ago | parent [-]

I think you are maybe reading into the initial claim too much and not hearing the follow ups. There are two things here: 1. the overall character, broad charter, and people that compose the company, and 2. the theory that it is a specific agent in illegal or harmful data trafficking. And sure, I think we can take 2 away completely here if we simply must assume good faith from these guys and the contracts that they make, but that still kinda leaves 1 which is pretty big. Like 1 answers your follow up question of why everyone hates them either way, but you still are countering it by trying to ask what it has to do with 2. If that makes sense?

And really, I don't think anyone wants to "oh sweet summer child" you in your doubts here, but it's really extremely hard to not want to just... gesture around the world right now and ask why you still believe in some kind of sanctity or infallibility of something like the legal contract or other various forms of de jure "accountability" when it comes to tech companies, especially one as big as this.

Manuel_D an hour ago | parent [-]

This pattern in which people make claims about Palantir having access to private information, then retreat back to something along the lines of "I don't like the character of the company" is exactly the kind of thing that leads me to believe people don't actually have tangible complaints with the company.

remarkEon 29 minutes ago | parent [-]

This is true, but Palantir also describes what they do in a way that is going to cause skepticism and confusion. When they talk about the ontology acting as a "digital twin" of the customer environment one could be forgiven for thinking this does actually mean Palantir is exfiltrating customer data and cloning it, which is not what happens.

Manuel_D 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

> When they talk about the ontology acting as a "digital twin" of the customer environment one could be forgiven for thinking this does actually mean Palantir is exfiltrating customer data and cloning it, which is not what happens.

This is basically saying you have the same DB schema on your dev environment as you do on prod. If anyone made that kind leap in logic, I would conclude they have little to no technical know how.

ashtonshears an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Saying they have ‘conservative values’ is the death blow to conservativism, given their explicit anti-democratic, and fundamentally extremist leadership

flawn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Look into Peter Thiel, the current administration and how it all ties back to Palantir. No conspirations here, just openly known facts.

throwawaypath an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>No, but I am curious why this one company gets some much hate.

Mostly because hating Palantir is a trendy leftist virtue signal. Defund ICE being another one. Defund the police was trendy five years ago, but is no longer popular.

gunalx 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, they are to some degree.

fsflover 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microsoft can't guarantee data sovereignty – OVHcloud says 'We told you so' (theregister.com)

76 points by fauigerzigerk 6 months ago | 7 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45061153

guywithahat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In some regards I'd almost rather Palantir runs it, since the DoW would force them to implement very strict data isolation features which hospitals could then get for free. I wouldn't imagine Epic Healthcare Systems would be forced to isolate data so aggressively.

That said I also recognize the moral dilemma and understand why they'd pull out. Frankly I'm surprised they did much work with hospitals at all

nradov 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Most Epic products aggressively isolate data. The majority of instances are run on-premises, and even those hosted on cloud platforms are single-tenant. They have a good record for data security and privacy; afaik all Epic data breaches were actually caused by infiltration of other customer systems.

QuantumGood 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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