any discord server that offers public invites is effectively public.

rvrb 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

First, the user knows this when joining a public community.

Second, the moderators can choose to remove someone who has joined the community in bad faith.

Third, it is entirely different than broadcasting every single action taken by every single user in every single community on the entire protocol to anyone with one URL.

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0x457 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> First, the user knows this when joining a public community.

From Colibri: your community chats are public and visible to everyone by default.

So it's the same.

> Second, the moderators can choose to remove someone who has joined the community in bad faith.

Colibri has mod tools as well.

> Third, it is entirely different than broadcasting every single action taken by every single user in every single community on the entire protocol to anyone with one URL.

Sure, but then just don't use it?

It's really no that different from how IRC worked. Except persistent history is part of protocol and not some bots.

This is not public communities, not for small group of friends sharing edgy memes and discussing national security.

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em-bee 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

the moderators can choose to remove someone who has joined the community in bad faith

unless you prevent new members from reading the chat history until given permission then they can already read everything before they are kicked out, and they can come back with a different account.

you also can not detect people acting in bad faith if all they do is read.

basically, you can't expect privacy if you don't limit members to people you know and trust. that goes for any group chat, encrypted or not.

i also doubt that discord chatlogs are encrypted on their servers.

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rvrb 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

What is your point? I feel I made the one you are making before you even responded the first time.

That Discord communications can be exfiltrated in this specific set of circumstances (again, something I already said) does little to change that Colibri is implemented in the least privacy preserving way possible, short of publishing directly to every news and intelligence agency on your behalf, and does little to make that very clear in the first place.

	▲	em-bee a day ago \| parent [-]
		you said: Users in a Discord server/local community on tools like Discord naturally expect that their actions within that community are private in so far as they trust everyone in the community (including the operator) to keep it so. my point is: you don't get that in a public discord. and i believe that most discord servers, those for games anyways are public. only small team discord servers are private. privacy on discord is an illusion. i also would not trust discord to keep any messages private even from a private server. you seem to imply that just by looking like discord colibri promises the same privacy options as discord. why? colibri does not present itself as a discord alternative. and although the line "privacy when needed" was misleading, in the FAQ they clarified that there is no private data. (to be sure i checked the site as it was 2 weeks ago: https://web.archive.org/web/20260311020805/https://colibri.s... )

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verdverm a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> the moderators can choose to remove someone who has joined the community in bad faith

This is one of the challenges of building a Discord alternative on atproto. Allow access or not, how moderation works, and having shared ownership that can change.

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eximius 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Private channels in public servers exist. I'm almost entirely on private servers.

	▲	verdverm a day ago \| parent [-]
		This is one of the challenging aspects about defining permissioned spaces on atproto. In essence, you have a completely separate database per user (sits next to their repo) with which you can do permissioned public->private spectrum. Nesting more privacy inside another permissioned space requires breaking the typical permission walking chain, eg. in Google Docs, if you have access to a folder, you have access to the subfolders.