| ▲ | themgt 5 hours ago |
| The IOC policy is specifically that athletes need to test negative for the SRY gene to be eligible to compete in the female category. Imane Khelif won gold in the 2024 Summer Olympics women's boxing event, and has since admitted to having the SRY gene. So it isn't a non-issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imane_Khelif#2026 |
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| ▲ | Philadelphia 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The page you link to doesn’t say that. “As of February 2026, Khelif had not described herself as intersex or as having a DSD.” |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That page is at the center of a massive debate on Wikipedia for that specific topic. Khelif responded to a question about having the SRY gene like this: > In a February 2026 interview with L'Équipe, Khelif was asked: "To be clear, you have a female phenotype but possess the SRY gene, an indicator of masculinity", to which she responded: "Yes, and it’s natural. I have female hormones." So she was asked if she had the SRY gene and she responded "Yes". That's also consistent with the previous issues with governing bodies excluding her under their rules, but they are not allowed to share test results for obvious reasons. The debate now is down to technicalities. Technically the Wikipedia quote is correct in that Khelif has not described herself as intersex or having a DSD in those words but she has now admitted to having an SRY gene, which is the important part in the context of these competition rules. | |
| ▲ | conradfr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | decimalenough 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is a leaked medical report showing that Khelif has internal testes: https://www.dw.com/en/algeria-condemns-baseless-imane-khelif... The Talk page has extensive debates on whether this can be mentioned, and the current "consensus" is that it can't be. | | |
| ▲ | space_fountain 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The article is saying that there are fairly credible denials no? | | |
| ▲ | decimalenough 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Just the Algerian government harrumphing. As GP says, Khelif herself has basically admitted to having the SRY gene in interviews, and has been notably tight-lipped about what medical tests caused her to be disqualified from women's boxing in the IBA. | |
| ▲ | blippz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
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| ▲ | mmooss 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Has Khelif published it? Otherwise, I don't think anyone's very personal information about their body should be on HN (or anywhere). If it doesn't violate a guideline, it should. | | | |
| ▲ | blks 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s incorrect to call this a “leaked medical report”. This is a document of unknown origin, widely shared by online grifters. | |
| ▲ | fretboard 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] |
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| ▲ | rideontime 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So it's the headline that's inaccurate. It should read "bars women with the SRY gene" rather than "transgender." |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The ruling itself is much more nuanced and covers a lot of situations, including extremely rare disorders of sexual development (DSD) and their variations. The most recent controversies on this topic did not involve transgender athletes, but that's largely unknown or misunderstood by people who only know this topic by headlines and sound bites. The headline writers are relating it back to the topic which brings the most clicks, which is transgender athletes. The IOC didn't go on a crusade against transgender athletes specifically. They were refining the rules on sex-based divisions and included a lot of considerations and nuance. | |
| ▲ | fretboard 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | colpabar 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | blippz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not quite. Only male athletes who have male physiological advantage. A small subset of male athletes with specific disorders of sex development that preclude this advantage may still compete as female. |
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| ▲ | RealityVoid 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I find the Khelif debacle incredibly damning for anti-trans militants since she apparently was born as a woman and has this weird thing where she has male characteristics. The anti-trans hysteria at that point in time was super off-putting for me since she did nothing wrong but merely existed. Before this I was like... meh, have sex separated sports and be done with it, but this made me re-evaluate my views in sex in that it's much more fluid than I gave it credit for. And this, by "nature", without human intervention. I don't see anyone ever going "oh, Michael Phelps has unfair advantages because of this crazy gene". Then, it's fair and square, just better genes life's not fair. No, suddenly the care now, eeeeveryone cares now about woman's sports because someone with a rare genetic disorder showed up in the spot light. Utterly bizzare for me. |
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| ▲ | charlesarthur an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | You need to read up about XY 5-ARD (the condition Caster Semenya has and Khelif surely has). Being XY with active SRY means you're male. Khelif has admitted having the SRY gene (in an interview with L'Equipe). Males have very significant advantages (50% plus) in power sports such as weightlifting and, yes, boxing. Sex isn't "more fluid". It's entirely binary, but DSDs (differences of sexual development) can make appearances deceptive - so an XY male can be wrongly recorded as female at birth, especially in countries with inexperienced medics and midwives. Phelps's records have all been broken. By other males, of course - no female is getting close to his numbers. That's male advantage in action. | |
| ▲ | blindriver 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You have it backwards. Khelif is what changed everyone's mind and supported the ban on trans athletes. The fact this person who was visibly male and was failing genetic tests as a woman and then brutally beating up all the other women is exactly what transphobic activists had been preaching about. The fact this happened on the highest stage of sports basically forced the Olympics to change their mind. |
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| ▲ | aucisson_masque 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Exactly, it just got to be fair for everyone. Can't make a woman with 'internal testicles and higher levels of testosterone compare against other women, that would be like accepting dopping. |