| ▲ | ck2 7 hours ago |
| The easiest way to explain this nonsense is that in 100+ years of Olympics, there are ZERO elite athletes who were transgender none it's brought to you by the some of the very same people who want you to prove you are a citizen every time you vote because there have been no previous cases of that either However there are women who have given birth who will fail that SRY test Because biology is messy, not black and white, never "on" or "off", there is always overlap They tried this before in 1996 and quickly ended it by 2000 because the result was a disaster |
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| ▲ | qu4z-2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > it's brought to you by the some of the very same people who want you to prove you are a citizen every time you vote I'm staying out of the other issue as best I can, but as a non-American the resistance to this is just baffling, especially given the fact your recent elections have not exactly been widely trusted internally. Not that I'm saying there was much merit to the distrust, but it still makes sense to take steps to demonstrate it. Caesar's wife must be above suspicion. |
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| ▲ | dangus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The issue isn’t the proof of citizenship. The issue is that poll taxes are unconstitutional and there is no state that I’m aware of that makes the acquisition of identification documents free of cost. I’m honestly quite surprised that politicians don’t resolve this idiotic situation because it’s so damn simple, but I think it’s not solved because various state governments rely on small fees for revenue. And of course because there are many political situations in which making it difficult for specific opponent voters to vote is a campaign strategy. Make fees for drivers licenses, birth certificates, and passports illegal, and ideally institute a system that makes these forms of identification automatic/stupidly easy to acquire and the whole issue is resolved. Now you can require voters to present them and you aren’t disenfranchising anyone. |
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| ▲ | gpm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| There's also cis-male people who will "pass" that SRY test if they take it for some reason... This is a dumb ass way to try and define the woman's category... which is about the expected result of bigots trying to work backwards from the result they want headlines about. |
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| ▲ | badc0ffee 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > There's also cis-male people who will "pass" that SRY test if they take it for some reason... This is news to me - which males are you talking about here? > This is a dumb ass way to try and define the woman's category... It's really not, though. They found a marker they can test for, and have clearly defined exceptions. | | |
| ▲ | gpm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This is news to me - which males are you talking about here? This poor bloke who found out he was infertile during a premarital medical exam, for instance: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7760426/ > It's really not, though. They found a marker they can test for, and have clearly defined exceptions. Have you heard of the politician's fallacy, "something needs to be done, this is something, so this needs to be done"... Your argument here is that... needing a test, and having a test, doesn't mean it's the right test. You're also assuming that we even need a test... evidence (no transfemale olympians ever coming not dead last) suggests we don't. | | |
| ▲ | badc0ffee 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This poor bloke who found out he was infertile during a premarital medical exam, for instance: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7760426/ Interesting. Perhaps a better test is needed. > You're also assuming that we even need a test... evidence (no transfemale olympians ever coming not dead last) suggests we don't. This isn't just about trans women, but also about DSD cases like Imane Khelif and Caster Semenya. |
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