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bertylicious 7 hours ago

Why not Human Olympics?

cm2187 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Already exists, it's what people refer to as "male olympics". As far as I know, females aren't banned from competing. It is just that they don't stand a chance in most disciplines. The whole point of female olympics is to keep males out.

UncleMeat 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That’s not true. Men’s gymnastics and women’s gymnastics are totally different sets of events and men would get trounced in a women’s event.

Yizahi 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Confidently incorrect. As an example - a banned Thomas salto had been developed and performed by a male gymnast first, and afterwards women starting trying to do it too. This is an anecdote example, but it shows that gymnastics is not some women dominated sport. As another example - four out of four named jumps in the figure skating are all named by male athletes who performed them first.

fourseventy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Only because they don't practice those events... If men practices those events they would be better at them

UncleMeat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not sure that is true. Beam targets flexibility in ways that no men's event does.

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zahlman 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Putting aside that you argue entirely by assertion, that is one discipline, which therefore does not contradict the claim about "most disciplines".

Meanwhile the gap is well known to be massive in typical events, e.g.:

* Compare https://worldpowerlifting.com/records/womens-world-records/ vs https://worldpowerlifting.com/records/mens-world-records/ (or for that matter, browse through https://exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards)

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_100_metres_world_recor... plateaued at numbers seen in men's competition over a century ago; a "sub-elite" female competitor sprints barely ahead of "intermediate recreational" men per https://marathonhandbook.com/average-100-meter-time/ . Griffith-Joyner's record-setting time would not have even qualified her to run with men since at least 2000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_metres_at_the_Olympics

* I often hear it suggested that women show an advantage in longer races, but even at standard marathon length this is not borne out in results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Boston_Marathon

* National and international level competitive women's sports teams regularly get trounced by teenaged boys in exhibition e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH_r7-GN4o widely reported on last year and https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/a-dallas-fc-under-15-b... from 2017

* The entire history of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis) requires quite a bit of creative interpretation to put women's tennis anywhere near the level of men's

That's just off the top of my head of anecdotes and examples I can recall being casually thrown around in these sorts of discussions.

xeonmc 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can trans male who transitioned before puberty compete in male olympics while being pumped full of steroids legally?

mikkupikku 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe they should accept that they simply aren't competitive if they can't compete against their own sex. There's no shame in it, most people aren't competitive, certainly so at this level.

krunck 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why not ignore gender labels and go by chromosomal configuration? There could be XY and XX [1] olympics. And then there should be X, XYY, XXX, XXXY, XXYY, and all the other possibilities [2].

There is more complexity than the binary in the expression of sex in humans.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_huma...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

appreciatorBus 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All biological categories are fuzzy around the edges. Those fuzzy edges do not invalidate the category. The existence of small #'s of people with actual physical intersex conditions (not "I feel like <x>") in no way conflicts with humans being sexually dimorphic.

RansomStark 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is what they do. Male, female, man, woman, boy, girl are sex categories, not gender categories, that is they predate the very idea of gender as distinct from sex.

Sports categories never had anything to do with gender.

The other difference of sexual development are different sexes

badc0ffee 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with you in general, but I think it would be fair to let XY individuals with CAIS compete on the female side - their bodies do not respond to testosterone.

space_fountain 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because then trans men will dominate the "women"'s category. What's frustrating about this entire subject is that many of these things were tried. After finding that too many cis athletes were being disqualified they switched to the current rules that in most cases split things based on testerone levels. You can choose to do it some other way, but all of them come with some problems that people won't like

madaxe_again 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Really, there should be separate categories for people with more than the regular amount of arm hair. Also separate categories for short people, tall people, lazy people, people who wear glasses, people with blue trousers, and of course, for sketch artists and quantitative traders.