> Swift has remained largely an Apple ecosystem

Even today, with the fancy Swift 6.3, the experience of using Swift for anything other than apps for Apple platforms is very painful. There is also the question of trust - I don't think anyone would voluntarily introduce Apple "The Gatekeeper" in parts of their stack unless they're forced to do it.

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mathverse 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You can use swift on the server but what for? You have a gigantic ecosystems in languages X,Y,Z.

Even Apple does not use Swift on the server (AFAIK) so why would you?

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jshier 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What, of course Apple uses Swift on the server, that's the only reason they're investing in any of this. Many of the foundational Swift on the server libraries were written at Apple and later opened, like SwiftNIO.

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isodev 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Even Apple does not use Swift

Exactly true - they've created all these "working groups" of open source / volunteers to care for Android / Server / Wasm / ... all while being constraint "as an Apple product". Of course the end result is crappy

	▲	mathverse 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yea there is no incentive. Why use Swift on the server or in k8s when you have gazillion other languages that are performant and have the ecosystems.