| ▲ | jonny_eh a day ago |
| I wouldn't normally side with a cable company, but they're up against Sony Music, so I'll allow it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk... |
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| ▲ | creddit a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't know maybe just be worried instead about being on the side of justice and what is right and not be so worried if that side has people you don't like on it. |
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| ▲ | chii a day ago | parent | next [-] | | a lot of people determine what is right by who is on that side - the right side is the group that they identify with, and the wrong side is the group they dislike. And you get the hilarious (if not sad) situations often, where the exact same actions is wrong if committed by one group, and right if done by some other group. | | |
| ▲ | lowercased 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe I dislike a party because they're wrong, not that I think they're wrong becuase I dislike them? I usually don't have any reason to like or dislike a party until I see behaviour. | |
| ▲ | a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | snapcaster 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's not hilarious or sad. It's valid to oppose your enemies and support your allies. It takes a certain kind of educated liberal bubble to think that is "hilarious" | | |
| ▲ | jdlshore 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Some people think that justice should be blind, and that’s long been an ideal in the US. | |
| ▲ | sethaurus 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's a matter of integrity. Support or oppose whoever you like, but if you change your principles based on the person in question, then you don't have principles at all. | | |
| ▲ | GoblinSlayer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why not, people are different and principles can account for that. It might mean that your alignment isn't fully lawful. |
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| ▲ | Dylan16807 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Support your allies, yes. Think everything they do is right? Hell no. And every once in a while you need to check if your list of allies should change. | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It leads to keeping the bad people on your "side" just because they share some of the values > It takes a certain kind of educated liberal bubble to think that is "hilarious" No, the hilarious part is that the "educated liberal bubble" will do exactly that thing, and then wonder why everyone else is seeing them as crazies; because they'd rather side with bad actors on their side purely because other side is attacking them, no matter the reason. And of course, not only them. It's natural human herd behavior. And it leads to absolutely terrible end results The crime is the crime. No matter the leaning of the criminal | |
| ▲ | Eisenstein 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What happens is that it takes the form of attributing bad things to enemies and good things to allies, such that you are blind to where your allies are not your allies. If your allies are acting opposed to your interests but you like them because they signal to you as an in group, then you are being fooled by them. Thus, it is good to actually evaluate things on their merits once in a while. | |
| ▲ | convolvatron 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | doesn't that undermine the entire reason to have laws? if they are really just excuse to punish our enemies and reward our friends, why even bother with the pretense of a trial? | | |
| ▲ | GoblinSlayer an hour ago | parent [-] | | Laws protect interests of the ruling class. If interests are insufficient reason, then what is sufficient? |
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| ▲ | beepbooptheory 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Its "valid" to do anything in this context weirdo, it isnt like a veridical thing! "It is valid to love my mom, even when she makes me clean my room. This is the thing liberals will never understand." Don't you have some "cathedral" you gotta go neckbeard on about somewhere else? Perhaps a divorce court hearing? |
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| ▲ | naasking 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > not be so worried if that side has people you don't like on it. I think the point is that they don't like Sony music because they are so often on the wrong side, this time included. | |
| ▲ | throwaway894345 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Presumably the parent’s objection to ISPs and copyright cartels is precisely that they are so frequently (and to such a large degree) unjust. FWIW, I don’t think the parent’s objection was subtle about that point, I’m frankly not sure how it was overlooked. | | |
| ▲ | creddit 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Frankly, I don't see how you can't parse that their point, as written, is "I'm on the side of bad guy A because bad guy B is worse than bad guy A" which is completely orthogonal to "A is in the right and B is in the wrong". | | |
| ▲ | jonny_eh 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I said "allow it". It was mainly about my feelings. I can feel what I want. It also just so happens that Cox was in the right and Sony Music was in the wrong. | |
| ▲ | BizarroLand 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you look at the whole scenario, this will mean that Cox won't pass $1 billion dollars of punitive fines off to their customers, because, after all, the customers generate the money. In reality, this would have made their innocent customers pay for the crimes of their guilty customers and made both Sony, and in the long run, Cox richer, because once paying an extra $5/month becomes normalized, then there's no way they're going to go back down in price just because the fine is paid off, any more than the government will ever stop charging tolls on a toll bridge that was paid for by tolls no matter how many times the cost of the toll bridge is paid off. | |
| ▲ | throwaway894345 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because I'm a native English speaker and "worse" is definitely not orthogonal to "in the wrong". |
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| ▲ | jumpman_miya a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | shevy-java a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It really has nothing to do with Sony as such though. This is a common finding; 9:0 is also a clear message. If service providers are held accountable then arms producers also have to be held accountable. Or politicians who drive up prices via racket scheme such as a certain guy using orange powder on his wrinkly face. Someone is stealing money from stock exchange - that is also becoming increasingly clear from the trading pattern. Krugman pointed this out not long ago, without naming anyone specifically but I guess we can kind of infer who was meant. |
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| ▲ | shadowgovt a day ago | parent | next [-] | | It's always seemed fundamentally flawed to me that the exchange laws are designed to prevent people benefitting from insider information but then the entire purpose of the stock exchange is to make money by leveraging information asymmetry to make choices other rational actors wouldn't make because you have more knowledge or data than they do. It's a very "leverage your info to make money no wait not like that" scheme. I think I just don't understand what the difference is between an insider who sits on a board (illegal) or has a nephew who's an SVP at the company (illegal) and a politician setting the laws that shape the whole industry (legal apparently?) or gets tips from same (legal apparently?). | | |
| ▲ | QuadmasterXLII a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem with insider trading is that incentivises people with power to do unlikely things with that power because private knowledge of the upcoming unlikely event is unusually profitable, especially if it is destructive. This ship may have sailed. | |
| ▲ | chii a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's why i would rather see insider trading made legal, but transparent. Instead of quarterly filings, if you are considered an insider (or is affiliated with one), you are required to have your trades be instantly reported and be public the nanosecond you make them. You are allowed to make use of the insider info, as long as you adhere to these transparency measures. | | |
| ▲ | simoncion a day ago | parent [-] | | > ...you are required to have your trades be instantly reported and be public the nanosecond you make them. That doesn't do anything at all to remedy the situation. Better would be to require trades by insiders (and the particulars of those trades) to be locked in and publicly announced at least seven calendar days in advance. You need not announce the reason for the trade, but you must announce the amount of whatever it is you're selling and/or buying and the date at which the transaction will happen. Yes, I'm aware of the whole "scheduled stock sale" thing that folks at a certain level have to do when trading in the stock & etc of the company they work for. IMO, that should be mandatory for all employees and their families. |
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| ▲ | cogman10 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It makes more sense when you realize that insider trading laws came after it was a problem, not before. Before the insider trading laws, the stock market was much more volatile and was more akin to gambling for people out of the know. For people in the know, it was an easy way to extract wealth from those on the outside just looking at the numbers and publicly available information. | |
| ▲ | lotsofpulp a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I think I just don't understand what the difference is between an insider who sits on a board (illegal) or has a nephew who's an SVP at the company (illegal) and a politician setting the laws that shape the whole industry (legal apparently?) or gets tips from same (legal apparently?). This example is just standard issue corruption. Politician gets to exempt themselves, so they do. > It's always seemed fundamentally flawed to me that the exchange laws are designed to prevent people benefitting from insider information but then the entire purpose of the stock exchange is to make money by leveraging information asymmetry to make choices other rational actors wouldn't make because you have more knowledge or data than they do. Insider trading laws are designed to prevent people that can affect business outcomes from benefiting by affecting those outcomes. For example, a senior executive screwing up a crucial delivery to gain money from short positions. The idea is society benefits from the assumption that all executives are ideally holding long positions on their business. |
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| ▲ | throwaway894345 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t think the American right wing has any concerns about being perceived as inconsistent. They will reverse their positions overnight if it suits them, as they have illustrated every week for since the start of 2025 (most recently “no new wars / america first” to cheerleading the war in iran. |
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| ▲ | shiroiuma a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Yep, on the evil scale, Sony Music definitely ranks well ahead of Cox Cable. Now, if this were Comcast vs. Sony Music, it would be a closer call, but I still think Sony would have the edge. |
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| ▲ | lotsofpulp a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Cox cable pays legislators to limit people’s access to wired broadband internet service at their home (by banning government internet utilities), allowing them to charge higher prices due to having a monopoly. And they provide substandard asymmetric broadband because their customers have no choice. Proof: compare the quality and price of their service in neighborhoods with access to fiber to the home as opposed to just having access to Cox via coaxial cable. | |
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| ▲ | jibal a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I realize I'm in the minority but I side with whomever I think is right under the law, regardless of my (sometimes extreme) feelings about the parties and even about the law. | | |
| ▲ | lazyasciiart a day ago | parent [-] | | A case only reaches the Supreme Court if there is confusion over who is right under the law. The Supreme Court decision itself is not a definitive guide to which side is right under the law, as they’ve overturned themselves multiple times. So how do you decide which party to side with? | | |
| ▲ | defmacr0 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Your view on the law seems a bit alien to me. My opinions on what the rules of the law should roughly look like, are largely independent of who specifically is involved in a legal dispute. Sure I guess if Hitler was being sued and the only way to stop him was this lawsuit by Sony, I would probably concede that on balance it's better to have a slightly worse legal standard around copyright. Otherwise, I think having a law that best reflects my moral views and creates the best incentives for society in general, far outweighs how i feel about the plaintiffs. As for how I arrive on my views, it's obviously not an entirely rational process, but the rules you get from viewing property rights and self-ownership as fundamental seem to lead to the most preferable outcomes to me. If I were forced to adopt a more deontological philosophy, it's also the one that has the fewest obviously absurd conclusions, though not entirely. From this it's, in my opinion, pretty obvious to be skeptical of copyright law more generally (Ayn Rand would disagree) and therefore I welcome any precedent that weakens it. | |
| ▲ | jibal 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I just told you: I side with whomever I think is right under the law. And your first sentence is not remotely true--or rather, it is quite conceptually confused. Whose "confusion" are you talking about? Not mine, generally. There are of course disagreements about which side is right under the law, but often those disagreements are a result of bad faith--take just about every case Trump has ever appealed up to the SCOTUS. And many of the decisions made by the current crop of right wing ideologues on the Court are made in bad faith, especially Alito, Thomas, and Gorsuch, in that order of corruption. Many of the "disagreements" are based on bogus "textualism" and "originalism" frameworks that are applied completely ad hoc and hypocritically and were invented by conservatives solely in order to provide them with a basis for making rulings based on their ideology (the historical record is quite clear on this). Anyway, the point was that I decide based on my view of the law, not who the parties are. Since you seem to completely miss the point, have poor reading comprehension, and are just adding muddle, I won't comment further. |
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