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thelastgallon 8 hours ago

> her beloved pit bull, Forty-Cal, had been missing for 11 years.

> He's super docile and friendly. Always has been.

Are pit bulls known for being docile?

aucisson_masque 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Some dogs races are known to attract people who have social and or mental issues.

Not all pit bulls are dangerous, in the right hands they are some of the nicest dogs I have seen, but yeah.

Personally I don't judge dogs anymore by their races but by their owner, I found it to be much more accurate.

And on a sidenote, this owner really doesn't inspire me much. When she say it was disheartening to loose this dog because she paid for it with her own money... That's the kind of things I hear from the low life with pits.

vjvjvjvjghv 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are actually super sweet dogs in most cases. But once they get going, they are super strong and don’t give up. With most dogs you can separate them when they bite but a pit bull won’t let go.

Years ago we fostered a lot of different dogs and the pit bulls were some of the nicest. But you have to pay attention to their strength. For example playing tug-o-war may end up in a shoulder injury because the pit bull will pull really hard.

Another problem is that a lot of idiots like pit bulls and make them aggressive.

albatross79 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's just what the owners tend to say after the dog has ripped some child apart. It's the "I didn't know it was loaded" defense.

hinkley 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The dumbest thing I’ve done in the last ten years was stick my hands in the mouth of a “docile and friendly” pitty to extract a screaming puppy.

Only afterward did I realized I almost destroyed my livelihood.

My partner Google stalked the owner and discovered that he’d been force to surrender another pit bull two years earlier.

grantith 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The lucky ones learn about the finger in the butt and hind leg wheel barrow maneuvers before they have to use them.

aucisson_masque 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It doesn't work when a dog really doesn't want to let go. I think it would even make it bite stronger.

By the way, good luck sticking your finger in a dog but when he is fighting... I think you didn't try it much before giving advices.

thatcat 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You might need something like rebar to stick in the back of the mouth and pull back when that doesn't work

anal_reactor an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> finger in the butt

What

markdown 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've seen the video where all these methods were tried to no avail, so I don't have much faith in them. The safest solution is to put the animal down, but of course you have to have something on hand to do that. A 4x2 to the temple should do it. That'll end the aggressor and save the victim.

Rendello 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Should", maybe, but I've seen a pretty disturbing video where a pit bull took a lot more than one hit... it was multiple minutes of hits. And it only let go after it died, I've never seen anything like it.

EricBetts 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you know where I can find that video?

BoorishBears 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Harder to pull off after naming it 'Forty-Cal' though, no?

macintux 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I took a few pit mixes out of the local humane society last summer for "Doggy Day Out", basically an opportunity for dogs who need new homes to get exposure to the community and get away from the kennel for a few hours, and they were universally friendly, sweet dogs.

There's some selection bias, obviously, but their reputation is definitely overblown.

piva00 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They are very sweet dogs, until they're not.

I was at a friend's place with some others from school, we were about 14-15 years old, his family had this seemingly sweet pitbull, always wanting to be pet, super playful but kind. That day it attacked one of our classmates, out of the blue, we were sitting on the backyard, the dog playing with some rope toys, brought it to us sitting, this guy picked up the toy to throw it and before he could even started the motion this pitbull jumped on his face and started attacking.

It was so jarring, unexpected, and brutal that I got traumatised for life from pitbulls, I don't like to be close to them, don't like when I'm biking and there's one without a muzzle being walked around, and I don't want to pet one as much as it can look super friendly and calm. Seeing how fast it could turn into a murder machine even when growing up in a loving family that never trained it to be a guard/attack dog, and probably never treated the dog badly, made me very anti-pitbulls.

Most dog attacks in the country I grew up in are from pitbulls, including a few kids killed every year, the statistics don't lie. The breed requires people who aren't assholes so it doesn't become dangerous, I don't trust owners to do that, even more when it's a breed for "macho" guys to show off at the same time.

aucisson_masque 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

> dog playing with some rope toys, brought it to us sitting, this guy picked up

Probably a case of ressource guarding.

Many dogs are dangerous not because they are trained to but because people don't train them at all beside to sit and to lay down.

Dogs are certainly not psychopathe that attack out of the blue, they have motivations and reasonings. Most often a lack of education and socializing.

When I see people puting their dog in a cage at night and then puting them on a leash to walk it a few times per week, yeah, that's ticking bombs.

dmix 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are banned in Ontario, Canada for a good reason and banned in UK for the same reasons.

The only time my dog was ever randomly attacked was a pitbull and you quickly learn talking to other dog owners how common this is. Nothing clears out a dog park like a pit bull showing up.

Rendello 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The ban isn't meaningfully enforced in much of the province [1], I see them a lot. I used to live in Ottawa, and their official site directly states "The City of Ottawa does not enforce the provincial ban on pit bulls" [2]. For those (legitimately) interested in a Canadian perspective on breed-specific legislation, there's a documentary by CBC's Fifth Estate on the subject [3].

1. https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/five-things-to-know-abou...

2. https://ottawa.ca/en/living-ottawa/animals-and-pets/dogs/dog...

3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFa8HOdegZA

macintux 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I suspect the reasons are (generously) keeping them out of the hands of people who would treat them poorly and perpetuate the stereotypes, or (less generously) ignorance and fear.

jlarocco 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How they're raised makes a big difference, but natural instinct is natural instinct. It's just like how chihuahuas were bred to be small, but pit bulls were bred to fight other dogs.

aucisson_masque 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

In France, during many years the biggest bitter by far was the fucking golden retriever.

Speak about natural instincts... I answer that some people have zero clue what to do with a dog.

I say we put down all these golden retriever too !

crooked-v 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are plenty of statistical studies out there that pit bulls specifically cause both a significant plurality of dog bites and significantly worse injuries than other dog breeds.

For example:

https://blog.dogsbite.org/2016/10/table-retrospective-level-...

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1...

47282847 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Correlation/causation

imtringued an hour ago | parent [-]

The word "pit" in "pit bull" refers specifically to a dog fighting arena where dogs are supposed to aggressively fight each other in a duel, possibly until one of them dies.

"pit bull" refers to a dog breed that was optimized for its performance (=more aggressive and dangerous) in the "pit".

givemeethekeys 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe Pitbulls are bi-polar more often than other dogs.

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thewoodsman 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly, all the ones I've known have been super sweet dogs. I can never quite bring myself to fully trust them, but frankly I never fully trust any dog.

phyzome 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ingenuous question. You know they have a bad reputation.

The main problem with pit bulls, AIUI, is that they can be aggressive towards other dogs. Also, assholes buy them (due to their reputation) and then encourage aggressive behavior.

I've met some pit bulls owned by nice people and the dogs were super friendly and especially very tolerant of children.

tom_ 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not typically - but when it's called Forty Cal, maybe? That's what, one bell pepper?

doodlebugging 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Or maybe it's short for Forty Caliber. Pretty big difference.

tom_ 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Hm, that's a good point. I totally did not think of that as a possibility. But what are the chances? I mean, it's just a cute little pit bull we're talking about here! It's not as if it's even a big dog, like a golden retriever, or a nice friendly alsatian.

zer00eyz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Animal Care and Control Team (ACCT) Philly sent her some pics of the pooch in question.

100 percent this dog is named after a bullet.

Because thats how Philly rolls.

In case you dont know:

HitchBOT got murdered in Philly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HitchBOT

Bill Burr's Philly set: https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/1il5msw/in_honor_o...

Don't get me wrong Philly is great, but Philly is... something.

markdown 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What if it's called Mr. Worldwide?

bsder 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Are pit bulls known for being docile?

Not really. Even "old school" working catch dogs in this breed may require a break stick to get the dog to release game. In addition, the dogs are strong.

And that's really the crux of the problem.

Dogs will be dogs. They can be the nicest animal on the planet, but at some point a dog will bite you--maybe you did something stupid, maybe the dog accidentally got underfoot and got kicked, maybe the dog is just sick, maybe something agitated the dog, whatever. A bite will happen. The problem with pit bulls is that when they bite the damage is much more problematic than with other breeds.

And this is the real issue. Because of their strength, pit bulls (and a small number of other breeds) account for a disproportionate amount of deaths and hospitalizations relative to other breeds.

It also doesn't help that these types of dogs are disproportionately owned by jackasses.

dgan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You talking like a bite must happen. No it's not. Source: myself, we ve had a dozen of dogs. Among them : rotweiler, new foundlands, montagne de pyrénées, terrier, and dozens of chihuahua and spitzs

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fractallyte 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My dog bit me accidentally while playing, a few times. Every time, he apologized. (That is: he stopped playing, made a characteristic sound, and licked me to make sure I was OK.)

xoxxala 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“It’s not the dog, it’s the owner.”

There is a self-selecting bias with pit bulls. People who buy and raise pit bulls often want a “mean” “tough” dog, so that’s what they get. You get a loving sweet pit bull if you raise them in a loving sweet way. Dogs are like children; they are very observant and pick up on even the tiniest of cues.

Although, like people, some dogs (of all different breeds) are born more aggressive. That can usually be corrected with training. It’s mostly nurture, and part nature.

zoklet-enjoyer 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used to have a pitbull/boxer mix and she was the sweetest dog. She had the longest tongue and would do big yawns and I'd just stick my hand in her mouth and grab her tongue and she'd shake her head and look confused. It was pretty funny. Most dogs are nice if they live in good homes.

dbg31415 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nothing stopping them from being great with kids. All dogs can be great with kids.

Pit bulls have a long history as family dogs -- they're loyal, affectionate, and incredibly gentle with kids. The whole 'nanny dog' reputation exists for a reason.

An example... https://www.luccishouse.org/post/misunderstood-angels-the-hi...

My pit mix was actually a therapy dog for autistic children through a program at a local hospital in Austin. The kids would read to her while she cuddled up next to them, putting her paw on them gently when they were nervous or frustrated. The program was designed to help the kids build confidence by providing a social interaction where they wouldn't feel judged. And she was great at it. It was the highlight of her week getting to go to the therapy center.

I've had a lot of dogs in my life, and I've never had one more sweet or gentle than she was.

But look, any dog can be awful or wonderful. That comes down to the owner, the environment, and the individual animal way more than the breed -- and honestly, the whole concept of 'breeds' is a bit silly to begin with. But I get that people need to classify things. It's just dumb.

So, stop being a dog racist. (=