| ▲ | zug_zug 3 hours ago |
| It seems to me that interfering in a foreign election should be understood to be grounds for war. |
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| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > interfering in a foreign election should be understood to be grounds for war Requires a rigorous definition of interference. The allegations here—trying to catch politicians on tape being sleazy and then releasing them with sketchy editing-doesn’t seem to rise to the level of calling for a kinetic response. |
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| ▲ | nextos 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes, and the EU, due to this fragmentation, seems to be a fertile playground for all this unacceptable interference by foreign powers. |
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| ▲ | tremon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Actually, no. The decentralization of power means that it takes a lot more effort to subvert each country individually, rather than propping up a few candidates for the entire region like they do in the US. | | |
| ▲ | tempaccount420 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They only need one country for veto rights. | | |
| ▲ | snackbroken 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The EU is perfectly capable of collaborating even when it can't reach full consensus or when it wants to include peripheral states without them becoming full members. See for example the Schengen area, Eurozone, European Economic Area, and more recently (and specifically to circumvent member state vetos) when the enhanced cooperation procedures were invoked to lend money to Ukraine. | |
| ▲ | nextos 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Exactly, see what is happening in Hungary. Controlling Hungary is enough to veto some support for Ukraine. |
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| ▲ | amelius 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No because any attempt at interference would in that case trigger article 5 of NATO. | |
| ▲ | close04 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s true but that fragmentation is also what limits the propagation of fractures. You can see it like sandboxing. A deal with foreign intelligence is a dead with the devil that comes with a lifetime of subservience. And subservience to foreign powers is a greater evil than yo usual internal corruption. At least the locally corrupt in a democracy have some interest in things going somewhat well in their country. The foreign actors only care about theirs. |
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| ▲ | everdrive 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If this were really taken seriously there would be much more war. |
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| ▲ | armchairhacker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Russia and China are definitely interfering in the US (to spread discord, ex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_interference_in_the_20...), so should the US formally declare war against them? What I do think is that nations should 1) interfere back, and 2) make their citizens more resilient to foreign propaganda. And I specifically don't mean building a firewall. In fact do the opposite: if a firewalled nation is leaking out propaganda, ensure firewall-breaking tools leak in. |
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| ▲ | fromMars an hour ago | parent [-] | | No idea why this is being downvoted. It seems only en-vogue on HN voice outrage about Israel. |
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