Please don't do this. "editors outlive their creators' reputations/departures" - is a reasonable point. But to make it land as a zinger, you decided to dig up some most inflammatory Stallman material possible, that does a lot of collateral damage to the framing.

Emacs the tool and Stallman the person are not nearly as coupled as your comment implies. Stallman created Emacs, yes, but the Emacs community drove him out of the FSF in 2019, pushed back hard when he tried to return in 2021, and has been actively distancing itself from him for years. The community's resilience despite Stallman is kind of the opposite of what you're trying to say - it's not like Emacs users were defending him in solidarity.

Tools transcend their creators - it is actually an interesting point and worth making. You just didn't have to push Stallman shit here.

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elif 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I am an emacs main. I boot straight into emacs fullscreen mode by default.

I'm literally describing the resilience of the emacs community exactly as you described.

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iLemming 8 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't disagree with the general notion of your sentiment. I just wish there was less dragging Stallman's dick behavior into the mix of Emacs-related discourse. Which doesn't happen a lot, still would be ideal if it didn't happen at all.

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elif 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Stallman deserves to be criticized for his own positions.

And the emacs community deserves the right to call him out to distance ourselves from them.

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cweagans 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, but that doesn't address GP's argument, which I _think_ is "there's a time and a place for those criticisms, and _literally every time emacs is brought up in a public forum_ ain't it"

	▲	elif 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		look i just made a single point about VIM OVERCOMING THE LOSS OF ITS CREATOR by pointing to emacs as a WORSE CASE. I didn't ask for these weirdos to come demanding to litigate every detail of every sick quote he's ever given. but i will not stand down to karma bullying to cover up sex crimes of a person just because i like his software.