In Europe they are. Call yourself an Engineer without a degree and your company and you will be sued with a big fine, because here you must be legally accountable on disasters and ofc there are hard constraints .

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embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> In Europe they are

Where specifically? I've been working as a "Software engineer" for multiple decades, across three countries in Europe, and 2-3 countries outside of Europe, never been sued or received a "big fine" for this, even have had presentations for government teams and similar, not a single person have reacted to me (or others) calling ourselves "software engineers" this whole time.

	▲	dranudin 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		In Germany. I have a degree in mechanical engineering and am thus allowed to call myself an engineer, even though I write software professionally. Colleagues who have studied computer science cannot, as it is not considered an engineering, but a science degree. This is why most people talk about "software developers" and not about "software engineers" (in German) to avoid this problem. That being said, most people would not actually care.

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organsnyder 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Canada also (at least some provinces). I have quite a few Canadian software engineer colleagues with their iron rings to prove it.

	▲	nizsle 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		An iron ring does not technically make you an engineer in Canada. It just says you graduated from an engineering program. A P.Eng, which is a professional engineer's license is something you acquire after multiple years of experience and testing.

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petr25102018 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, that's plain wrong (I am from Czech Republic). You can even get an "engineering degree" (Ing.) by studying economics.