| ▲ | simonw 6 hours ago |
| Useful context here is that the author wrote Pi, which is the coding agent framework used by OpenClaw and is one of the most popular open source coding agent frameworks generally. |
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| ▲ | andai a minute ago | parent | next [-] |
| For reference, the creator of OpenClaw has roughly the opposite philosophy: https://steipete.me/posts/2025/shipping-at-inference-speed |
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| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > “Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor...I am Pagliacci.” https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/141645-heard-joke-once-man-... |
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| ▲ | sehugg 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's hilarious. I've been following Mario since his work on libGDX and RoboVM. His blog post on pi is here: https://mariozechner.at/posts/2025-11-30-pi-coding-agent/ |
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| ▲ | slopinthebag 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That's a great shout because I'm sure a lot of people would otherwise just discredit this take as just another anti-ai skeptic. But he probably has more experience working with LLM's and agents than most of us on this site, so his opinion holds more weight than most. |
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| ▲ | bigstrat2003 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you were going to dismiss an argument because of who it comes from rather than its content, that is a flaw in your thinking. The argument is correct, or it isn't, no matter who said it. | | |
| ▲ | roughly 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your ability to evaluate whether the argument is correct is limited. In theory, the author and the correctness of the argument are unrelated; in practice, the degree of experience the author has with the topic they’re making an argument on does indeed have some correlation with the argument and should influence the attention you give to arguments, especially counterintuitive ones. | |
| ▲ | simonw 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That doesn't work for me. Knowing who is making the argument is important for understanding how credible the parts of their argument that derive from their personal experience are. If someone anonymous says "Using coding agents carelessly produces junk results over time" that's a whole lot less interesting to me than someone with a proven track record of designing and implementing coding agents that other people extensively use. | |
| ▲ | pkilgore 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Appeal to authority, the logical fallacy, is not attempting to claim that authority is irrelevant or has zero signal whatsoever. | |
| ▲ | seattle_spring 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Someone making an argument needs relevant experience/context to substantiate their argument. Just because the end opinion is "correct", doesn't mean they arrived there in a reasonable way. | |
| ▲ | zephen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The argument is correct, or it isn't, no matter who said it. Yes, but we all have insufficient intelligence and knowledge to fully evaluate all arguments in a reasonable timeframe. Argument from authority is, indeed, a logical fallacy. But that is not what is happening here. There is a huge difference between someone saying "Trust me, I'm an expert" and a third party saying "Oh, by the way, that guy has a metric shitton of relevant experience." The former is used in lieu of a valid argument. The latter is used as a sanity check on all the things that you don't have time to verify yourself. |
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| ▲ | PaulHoule 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| ... people like that have a way of writing articles that don't seem to say anything at all. |