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usrbinbash 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> iran's dickhead move...

Remind me again, which country started this whole mess?

> what choice do the gulf nations, or even all the asian+european (strait users) nations have?

They can go "yeah, you know, the US has been less than reliable as an ally recently, what with absurd tariffs, saber rattling around greenland, belitteling NATO, etc., and they seem unwilling to change, so we're just gonna pay the piper, and get oil, and make arrangements with the Chinese (aka. the worlds most powerful industry), and if they US doesn't like it, that sounds like a them-problem..."

What's very likely not gonna happen, is other countries fighting the US's war for them. NATO already told trump no, other countries won't give different answers.

And anyone who wants to actually invade Iran...well, let's put it this way: Iran is 3-4 times the size of Afghanistan, with even more difficult terrain, and has a standing army of 600,000 men, with over 300,000 in reserve. They have an air force, are proficient in the manufacture of drones, have a working intelligence network. And they've had 4 decades to dig into defensive positions.

In short, it's not gonna happen.

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ozgrakkurt 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Don't think there is much of a point replying to this person seriously as he is obviously a troll. You can take half a minute to check his profile

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sysguest 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> which country started this whole mess?

what has already started, is already started -- I agree on Trump being dick, but does that make iran's "making new enemies" a wise move?

> NATO already told trump no, other countries won't give different answers.

of course it said no BEFORE IRAN started the $2M toll (and other countries don't like trump due to tariff-for-everyone)

if the current iran regime was strategically wise, iran should have fired everything it got to Israel, and make the missile interception rate down to 40%. That would have actually showed it's power.

now, with even UAE's missile interception rate of 96%, iran actually showed its missiles are nuisances, not some existential threat.

600,000 men and 300,000 in reserve -- well that would have mattered a lot in medieval wars... "they have an airforce" -- well do they actually have planes? "have a working intelligence network" -- hmm...

no you're way way way over-estimating iran

the only strategic move for iran was selecting one specific target (israel) and focusing all its might, not becoming a rambo

	▲	daheza 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Their win condition isn't destroying Israel, its outlasting the American will for the war until a leadership change happens. They aren't the attackers in this war. They need to just defend until America and Israel give up because it is too costly at home.
	▲	surgical_fire an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> iran's "making new enemies" Those countries were already enemies of Iran by virtue of housing US bases, military installations, etc.
	▲	samus 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> what has already started, is already started -- I agree on Trump being dick, but does that make iran's "making new enemies" a wise move? There is no downside on making the Gulf states enemies. Quite to the contrary: they might lobby the USA to end this madness. It's a serious damage to the importance of the USA in the region if it can't or doesn't want to open the strait again, either by force or by making a deal.

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fogzen 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Delusional. The GCC has only 40,000 troops.

	▲	JackFr 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But they swear an oath to serve Richard Stallman unto death.

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pphysch 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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sysguest 6 hours ago | parent [-]

woah so you read this as "iran is morally wrong"?

well, that's secondary thing right now

what's dumb is dumb

what's the least thing you should do when fighting a war? making more enemies.

even on moral side... if someone in walmart bullies you, and you bully back to your classmates, does that make you morally justified?

plus, if you showed your cards ("decades-old deterrence threats"), you're out of options

	▲	pphysch 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Iran is not flattening Emirati hospitals, like Israel would be doing in their shoes. Iran is targeting direct US/Israeli interests, which includes military facilities, military personnel, and energy facilities with substantial US/Israeli partnerships. That latter part is particularly key here, and what pro-Israeli propaganda is anxious to suppress. > plus, if you showed your cards ("decades-old deterrence threats"), you're out of options Yes, it is a desperation move after undeterred US-Israeli terrorism and brazen violations of international law. But it's also working.