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bsimpson a day ago

> If you wanted full unfettered installation rights, Apple was never the company for you

Author started at System 8. They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

frizlab a day ago | parent | next [-]

> They didn't start locking things down until the iPhone.

They sure have tried since forever though. My uncle complained about Apple for this very reason ~20y ago…

embedding-shape a day ago | parent | next [-]

Before the iPhone, what was their attempts at that? I remember using OSX a bunch before the iPhone was public, but never remember any of the ways they tried to lock it down, I might have been too young then.

KeplerBoy a day ago | parent | next [-]

Getting music on an ipod was always a pain unless you bought the music on itunes or ripped a music CD directly with itunes (yes, that was an actual feature. hard to imagine these days).

No simple drag and drop onto a mounted USB drive like all other mp3 players back in the day. Maybe more of a lock-in attempt instead of lock down, but related imo.

GeekyBear a day ago | parent | next [-]

Anything you dropped into your computer's MP3 directory would sync to your iPod. It didn't matter where you got the music from.

The restriction was that an iPod would only sync tracks from one computer at a time, which was a demand of the music rights holders.

fipar a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can still rip CDs with Apple Music. In fact, that's the only use I have for that app (I recently lost a hard drive with music and I'm in the process of backing up all my CDs again).

FireBeyond a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> ripped a music CD directly with itunes (yes, that was an actual feature. hard to imagine these days).

These days? Last week (though WMP). My retired father's old computer died, his new one, no CD slot. Emails me from Australia asking how to rip his CDs for his media player. He's not an audiophile but he's not a technophile (and his blues music collection is sufficiently large that at least one of the blues radio stations in his city will on occasion ask him to borrow something because they don't have it in their library.

Told him to get a USB CD player and a card reader (his media player is on micro/SD).

pram a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"locked down" is a vague, moving target. The criticisms of pre-OSX MacOS was that it was an operating system for little babies, and not serious tech enthusiasts and power users. Also they were too expensive, and you can build a PC that is 100000x more powerful for cheaper. This literally hasn't changed.

wazdra a day ago | parent | next [-]

Are you being sarcastic? This has definitely changed with Apple Silicon. Looking at hardware value, the M-series are way more competitive than the Intel macs ever were, and if you want to run an LLM locally, they are undefeated.

However, it is quite ironic that while the value of their hardware has sharply increased, their software has become the slop that everyone is complaining about.

NoNoisle a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Uh where’s the cheaper MacBook neo that is 100000x more powerful?

queenkjuul a day ago | parent | next [-]

So you think people are building their own laptops?

pram a day ago | parent | prev [-]

it’s sarcasm

iSnow a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Their previous lock-downs were on the hardware level, not offering ISA slots and stuff. The original Mac (then Mac+ and classic) had no expansion slots at all, and they started adding them only later.

olyjohn 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

ADB ports only finally went away when USB came out. But I do have to give Apple credit, because those fruity-colored iMacs with the hockey puck mouse, that had only USB ports... those are really what got USB to become fully adopted. PCs had USB ports for a while before those came out, but nobody made any peripherals, probably because Windows had really crappy support for it... Once those fruity iMacs were released, then came the flood of USB stuff.

vunderba a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Exactly. After the Apple II, it was a post-Woz world. There’s a reason Apple owns so many patents on proprietary types of screws...

mathgradthrow a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

wasn't that about when the iphone came out?

frizlab a day ago | parent | next [-]

First iPhone was 18 years ago, but yeah it around the time of the first iPhone. IIRC he actually mentioned that because he had already been confronted to Apple’s lockdown before the iPhone. It was a long time ago and I was young, so I don’t remember the details.

bsimpson a day ago | parent | prev [-]

There was a decade between them.

drcongo a day ago | parent | prev [-]

My uncle shouts at cats and thinks the CIA have an implant in his fillings, but I'm not claiming that as proof on HN.

catapart a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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frereubu a day ago | parent | next [-]

I'm in my fifties, have been involved in computing since I was a kid and I like Apple's stance on this because the threat landscape has changed, particularly for non-tech-savvy people. If you want that freedom there are various *nix flavours to choose from, you're not compelled to use Apple.

catapart a day ago | parent [-]

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card_zero a day ago | parent | prev [-]

"Installation rights", fucking hell.