| ▲ | forkerenok 5 hours ago |
| Meta is like one giant cancer that grew a few small tumors of benign[1] nature, like some of their efforts in open source and open research (React, Llama, etc.). [1]: I could be wrong thinking those are benign. |
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| ▲ | kryogen1c 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| >Meta is like one giant cancer Cancer is a great metaphor because its a perversion of natural, healthy processes. So called social media is nearly that, but actually grotesquely unhealthy. People are dramatically unwell when they are not social, but that unregulated process is also negative up to and including being lethal. |
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| ▲ | rolandog 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Exactly. It started out as something good: see what friends and family are up to. But now: scroll infinite algorithmically placed or sponsored rage bait trying to trigger you into behaving the way that advances certain corporate or foreign interests at the expense of whatever was left of our already tattered social fabric and our collective mental or literal health. | | |
| ▲ | tinfoilhatter 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Actually it didn't start out as something good. Facebook emerged from a failed DARPA project called lifelog. It was always meant to be a tool to enable government surveillance. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARPA_LifeLog
[2] https://whyy.org/segments/facebook-a-computing-pioneer-a-sec... | | |
| ▲ | CrazyStat 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your own source [2] says: > But to be clear, there is no evidence DARPA or the U.S. intelligence services had any role in the creation of Facebook. | | |
| ▲ | tinfoilhatter an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do you require everything you read to spell out everything for you point blank? Are you unable to connect dots? The DARPA lifelog project ended the day Facebook was announced by a college dropout no one had ever heard of before. Facebook just happened to have the exact same goals / features as the lifelog project. Must just be a giant coincidence huh? | | |
| ▲ | CrazyStat an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I require at least some evidence. Your own source says there is none. | | |
| ▲ | ohyoutravel an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I think they’re trolling you, see their username. | |
| ▲ | tinfoilhatter an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh yes, because intelligence agencies are known for broadcasting their moves to everyone. I can guarantee you believe in a lot of things that you have no actual evidence of happening - just some perceived authority figure you trust for whatever reason, telling you it happened. Also - WHYY.org has received support through NewsMatch partner funds, which often includes contributions from large technology firms like Facebook (Meta) to support local journalism. These funds are generally used to match donations, helping stations like WHYY increase their financial sustainability and support public media. What a surprise! | | |
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| ▲ | Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | yeah I'm sure an immensely powerful and shadowy conspiracy trusted their most critical operation to a 20 year old college dropout. Makes sense to me. |
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| ▲ | dmoy 41 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | No way, we've known for 15 years that it was the CIA, not DARPA, after The Onion broke the story: https://youtu.be/ZJ380SHZvYU |
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| ▲ | 1over137 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It started out as something good No it didn’t. That was just like the first free sample from the drug dealer. Give a “good” free service to rope them in, always with the next steps in mind. | | |
| ▲ | Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I disagree. I feel like earlier social networks hadn't yet huffed the "lean startup" gas and weren't obsessed with engagement and thus were not yet trying to hook their users into an engagement cycle like where we are today. I feel like the Myspace/Friendster and early Facebook were nowhere near as harmful (albeit for addiction, those sites were still vulnerable to grooming) as where we are today. | |
| ▲ | danny_codes 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | OG Facebook was perfectly fine. In your analogy it’d be more like someone replacing your Diet Coke with actual cocaine. Like, yeah Diet Coke isn’t great for you, but it’s not cocaine. |
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| ▲ | rel_ic 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Being on "social media" is a fundamentally unsocial activity: you do it alone, it makes you lonely, and it separates you from others. Some people manage to bootstrap a social layer on top of the base medium, but most are being driven apart for profit. I call it _anti_social media. |
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| ▲ | rdevilla 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Facebook was the Eternal September of the Web. Netiquette died when it was made generally available, as did the culture that spawned it. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think you can tell approximately how old someone is by when they believe Eternal September started on the internet. Nobody believes it was when they started enjoying the internet. It was always when some other generation or service arrived after them. The internet was not a calm and well behaved place before Facebook arrived. The original “Eternal September” was in the early 90s. Usenet, forums, Reddit, comment sections, and every other social part of the internet have been full of bad behavior long before Facebook came along. | | |
| ▲ | ghurtado 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So many words and you missed the most important one: "netiquette" That's the whole point: the word exists precisely as a testament to something that used to exist but now doesn't. Anybody old enough to remember the word when it was common use should realize that it would have been impossible for the term to be coined in 2026. If you missed that part of the Internet (maybe you were too young or maybe you were focused on other things, like the vast majority of people in the 90s), that's totally fine, but plenty of us did experience it and remember it pretty clearly. > Usenet, forums, Reddit, comment sections, and every other social part of the internet have been full of bad behavior long before Facebook came along. You can tell approximately how old someone is by whether they have reached the "everything sucks" part of life yet or not. | |
| ▲ | ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can confirm. Source: I was a bad, bad, boi, on UseNet. | |
| ▲ | rdevilla 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hence... "of the web." IRC is and always was a cesspool but at least they had heard of netiquette, and it was something you could choose to partake in - or not, for the lulz. Nobody said anything about being "calm and well behaved" in particular. | |
| ▲ | plagiarist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Eternal September started before I was on the internet, but there have been several similar shifts since then. It gets continually worse. Agentic AI is another Eternal September. For example, we now have dimwits sending dozens of unsolicited and unreviewed slop PRs to open source projects. Every search result is an affiliate marketing listicle obviously written by a robot. |
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| ▲ | h2zizzle 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As a Millennial, I'm sad to say that it wasn't even older generations' fault, but our own (+Gen X). The tipping point was letting in normies who traded in photos and money instead of text and art. | | |
| ▲ | rdevilla 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Elitism and selectivity were actually features of the early Internet. High barriers to entry (tech savvy, literacy) ensured that there was a high signal to noise ratio, and thus you had, let's say, upper quartile participants concentrated in one (forum of) fora. LLMs are now heralding the Eternal September of even software engineering, and now I am wondering where to hang up my Techpriest robes in search of more elite pastures. I wonder if this is how the clergy felt once the vulgar were allowed to study scripture not in the original spiritual programming languages of Hebrew or Latin, but English. | | |
| ▲ | h2zizzle an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Elitism and selectivity were actually features of the early Internet. High barriers to entry (tech savvy, literacy) ensured that there was a high signal to noise ratio, and thus you had, let's say, upper quartile participants concentrated in one (forum of) fora. I disagree. I'm of the Neopets/Pokemon forums generation. Elitism and selectivity were not what made that era a good balance between the caustic free-for-all we have now and the rich kid's playground from before. It was the technical and practical restrictions on what you could put in and get out of a web experience. You couldn't upload thousands of thirst traps every month, because storage was limited. You couldn't summon another head of the dropshipping or affiliate marketing hydras with a few clicks, because the infrastructure didn't exist. You couldn't inundate users with dark patterns designed to extract every ounce of attention, data, and cash possible, because the rich web wasn't that rich yet. You had to deal in text and reasonably-sized images on a CRT with a limited-bandwidth pipe feeding it all. Because of this, many of the techniques developed to transform so many other forms of media and so many other institutions into Capitalist hellscapes and high school, respectively, didn't work online. Until they did. | | | |
| ▲ | ghurtado 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I wonder if this is how the clergy felt once the vulgar were... You meant the "vulgus". "Vulgar" has the same root, but a very different meaning. This random thought is kinda disconnected from actual human history. "Not allowed to study Scripture" was not a thing: Illiteracy was. There were people that knew how to read and people who didn't, that's it. I'm trying hard (and failing) to visualize your mental image. "Dear Father: it looks like the Bible has been translated to English by my dear brothers up at the monastery. I'm sure you understand why I can no longer be a priest" Remember that you're living in the actual earth timeline, not the 40k one. | |
| ▲ | foobarian 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And Greek! Don't forget Greek -emacs user | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, one can always get an older machine and code everything as holy binary chant not only impress the youngsters, but also impose level of distance from the 'limited by llms'. FWIW, I like the analogy despite seeing a benefit to knowing the original languages to studying scripture. | |
| ▲ | echelon an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I am wondering where to hang up my Techpriest robes in search of more elite pastures. Capital and tech improvement will beat anyone chasing that. |
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| ▲ | mnw21cam 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think Zstandard would be the most benign example. |
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| ▲ | ozgrakkurt 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Zstandard was created by one amazing person. Pretty sure he would have done it even if meta didn't exist. |
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| ▲ | netfortius 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A few weeks after they expanded access beyond .edu domains, I deleted my account. Haven't looked back since. Not an ounce of regret. |
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| ▲ | SecretDreams 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Everything consumer facing from meta is like a toxic waste hazard. It makes me sad seeing people stuck on those platforms. |
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| ▲ | tietjens 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| React benign? That’s the first time I’ve seen this suggestion on HN. Usually it’s held responsible for great crimes and wrongs. |
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| ▲ | muskyFelon 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Ha, I think the great crimes and wrongs title goes to Angular. I became a front-end guy specifically to avoid all the OOP verbosity. I'm just trying to call some APIs and render some data on a web page. I don't need layers of abstraction to do that. Anyways, is there a "just use vue" effort like there is with postgres :) |
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