> Their reaction? Genuine shock. They were actually concerned that developers were holding onto this position.

They have to be playing dumb? I mean they are interacting with someone from the outside, and they have to suspect it will end up shared somewhere. Do you want to be the developer at Apple to publicly acknowledge the shitshow your high priest designers cooked up, and spent a huge amount of resources pushing through? Most definitely not. Here is where reading body language can come in handy when speaking face to face. Maybe when they express their genuine “shock” they also smiled and winked, just plausibly enough to be taken multiple ways.