This isn’t hypothetical, this system just exists in other countries. Digital systems can confirm flight instruction from ATC with zero radio communication.

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_moof an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Changing the delivery method doesn't do anything to solve the problem of a controller sending an instruction that creates a hazard.

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dpark an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I’m not saying we couldn’t move more into automation. What I’m saying is that doing so will not solve all of our air/ground control problems. We still have human pilots and humans driving vehicles on the ground. Switching from humans directing landings to machines might improve some things but will not solve for all (and probably not most) risks.

Literally the crash here was caused by a fire truck entering the runway.

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clint an hour ago | parent [-]

The ATC told them to enter the runway because they were confused or distracted due t overwork.

No one here or anywhere is saying automation would solve or be able to handle everything that human operators handle, that's an argument you invented that no one is making.

People are saying automation could handle a significant portion of the routine things allowing humans to handle the more complex/finicky issues.

Even if automation could handle 10% of the most common situations it would be a huge boon. In reality its probably closer to 50%.

	▲	cogman10 12 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		There's unfortunately an alertness problem WRT automated systems. If the reason you have the human there is to handle the unusual cases, you run the real risk that they just aren't paying attention at critical moments when they need to pay attention. It's pretty similar to the problem with L3 autonomous driving. Probably the sweet spot is automation which makes clear the current set of instructions on the airport which also red flags when a dangerous scenario is created. I believe that already exists, but it's software that was last written in 1995 or so. Regardless, before any sort of new automation could be deployed, we need slack for the ATC to be able to adopt a new system. That's the biggest pressing problem. We could create the perfect software for ATC, but if the current air traffic controllers are all working overtime and doing a job designed for 3 people rather than one, they simply won't have the time to explore and understand that new system. It'll get in the way rather than solve a problem. More money is part of the solution here, but we also need a revamped ATC training program which can help to fill the current hole.
	▲	dpark 29 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> The ATC told them to enter the runway because they were confused or distracted due t overwork. Very possibly. It will be interesting what comes from the investigation. > No one here or anywhere is saying automation would solve or be able to handle everything that human operators handle, that's an argument you invented that no one is making. I’m asking if it would have solved even the current situation. The truck presumably saw the red light, and was asking to cross. Would traffic control have said no if more had been automated and if so, what automation would fix this? Unless we are supposing the truck would be autonomously driven and refuse to proceed when planes are landing, in which case, maybe, though that’s not really ATC automation anymore.