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jdlshore 7 hours ago

This sounds like a right-wing conspiracy theory. Are you saying that, in order to hire more black people, the FAA deliberately created a test only black people could pass? Do you have any evidence of this assertion?

jdlshore 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Note: SideburnsOfDoom looks into the claim below and says, “In summary, spending 5 minutes digging into it gives every impression of it being culture war nonsense.”

appreciatorBus 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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jdlshore 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The only domain I recognize is Newsweek, and given the nature of astroturfing, I’m not going to trust domains I don’t recognize.

All the Newsweek article says is that a lawsuit was filed. It doesn’t support GP’s claim that the FAA made “an impossible test, and gave black people the answers.” A lawsuit isn’t evidence of wrongdoing; it’s only evidence of an accusation of wrongdoing.

tptacek 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Worth noting that Newsweek went out of business over a decade ago and their domain and branding was bought by a cult and used to run an SEO business.

SideburnsOfDoom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You're correct to be suspicious.

Looking at the front page of 2 of those domains ( tracingwoodgrains, blockedandreported ) they are ... ah .. not exactly impartial. Sample headlines: "How Wikipedia Whitewashes Mao - The Anatomy of Ideological Capture" and "The Politics of Misery - Why are young liberals so depressed".

The simpleflying link reports merely that a lawsuit was filed. It gives the name of the person filing the lawsuit as this character: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Laxalt who is also ... not exactly impartial, seeing as he "was the Republican party nominee for governor of Nevada in the 2018 election". And as other searches suggest, no stranger to frivolous litigation or false claims.

In summary, spending 5 minutes digging into it gives every impression of it being confected culture war nonsense.

cjrp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think this explains understaffing though.

"The lawsuit doesn’t allege incompetent controllers were hired instead of CTI graduates. Instead, it states that the CTI graduates weren’t given the opportunity to demonstrate their competency."

It sounds like they hired different people, rather than fewer.

appreciatorBus 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Not a pilot or a controller, just a nerd. My take from reading about it was that a large number of high performing potential ATC controllers who had followed the traditional pipeline were ditched. Ofc it's possible they hired exactly as many ppl as they would have otherwise, but in any job with a long lead time for training, a sudden change in the pipeline is going to cause ripples further on for years to come. Maybe the ppl they did hire had a higher attrition rate so that while they had the same # of ppl in the short term, in the long term, they faced shortages. Maybe some % of those they did hire required some % of extra supervision or training. Ofc not insurmountable or fatal, it just means extra pressure that will exert itself in some fashion for years to come after the initial disruption. I have no idea of last night's incident could be considered downstream of the testing change, I was just responding to the allegation that it was a conspiracy theory, however I also don't think it's implausible that it contributed to it in some indirect way.

jmalicki 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe the ppl they hired had a lower attrition rate! Maybe the people hired required less supervision and training than the CTI graduates would have! Maybe this had rippling effects on increasing their hiring pipeline as people of color were more likely to see opportunities here.

Your comment presuming it was at best neutral, and any likely change was for the worse is exactly what racism looks like.

buckle8017 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Except they had a much higher attrition rate because ATC is a terrible job.

jmalicki 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Did they? If there's evidence great!