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| ▲ | superxpro12 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Centralization of all power in the government is also contrary to the interests of the taxpayers. Every time i see an anti-union article, its usually about unions that do good union things... But noone ever complains about the police union. It's always the public goods people like ATC or teachers. |
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| ▲ | InitialLastName 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | People complain about police unions all the time, it's just their complainants don't overlap much with the people who complain about private sector unions. |
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| ▲ | kube-system 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Over the course of the past year, I think we've seen more evidence that the federal workforce's collective bargaining rights aren't strong enough. Workers' employment contracts are being ignored, employees are being threatened, constructively terminated, all in an attempt to enact RIFs without following the law. Things are happening to the federal workforce right now that aren't even legal in the private sector. |
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| ▲ | nradov an hour ago | parent [-] | | If contracts are violated then the impacted parties can seek redress through the courts. Government employee unions aren't needed for that. | | |
| ▲ | kube-system an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Suing the federal government solo is an insurmountable task for most people -- even more so while they're being constructively terminated. Employee unions have been suing on their workers behalf over the past year, but the executive branch can drag out federal trials for a lot longer than people can stay without a job. | |
| ▲ | throwway120385 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | You have to have your contract violated for a significant amount before you can notionally afford to hire a lawyer to fight it out. Below 5 figures it doesn't make much financial sense to do that for most people, so they just eat it instead. It's how a lot of "theft of wages" and other mistreatment happens so often. Lawyers don't take those cases for free, and court isn't free either. And you're not going to instantly appear at the top of the docket for something small like that especially if the government buries you in procedure. They can do that for years. But sure, yeah you can seek redress through the courts. |
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| ▲ | callmeal 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Does your comment also include the police union(s)? |
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| ▲ | cake_robot 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes absolutely. They're a perfect example of the unique issues w/ collective bargaining for public services. | |
| ▲ | nradov 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, absolutely. No government employees should ever have collective bargaining rights. If they want better wages and working conditions then they can advocate for those through the political process, the same as any other citizen. | | |
| ▲ | wat10000 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Collective bargaining rights shouldn’t even be a separate thing. They’re just a natural consequence of the fact that free speech is protected and slavery is illegal. The idea of an illegal strike is bizarre. |
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| ▲ | RC_ITR 24 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a discussion with nearly unanimous agreement that poor ATC working conditions are causing Americans to die in preventable aviation accidents. Maybe this is the one evidence-driven case where you can be open minded about the value of a public employee union? |
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| ▲ | fatbird an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Public employee unions are contrary to the interests of taxpayers This is not obvious on its face, but also, paying taxes is not my only concern wrt the civil society in which I live. |
