This isn't a downside against EU services when compared to the US, so what are you actually suggesting? Don't just vaguely hint at stuff. Should we be moving to Singaporean services? Oh shit, similar concerns there. Okay, where do you suggest we move? If you don't have any suggestions then there's little substance behind what you're saying.

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pschastain 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>This isn't a point against EU services compared to the US

In the US the cops actually need a search warrant signed by a judge. In the EU they only sometimes need one.

>Should we be moving to Singaporean services? Oh shit, similar concerns there

Really? I've always been under the impression that it is courts who issue search warrants in Singapore, not the police or prosecutors.

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not_that_d 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does ICE needs something?

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generic92034 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A judge of a secret court, which are known to never deny any request?

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pschastain 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is simply not correct. Very few "cops" in the US can go to any kind of secret courts.

Also, what you're describing is still infinitely better than the European system! The cops get to issue the warrants themselves.

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generic92034 2 hours ago | parent [-]

With any number of intelligence services in the USA I would not really be calmed by the prospect that an ordinary cop cannot do that.

What you are claiming about European cops is also not uniformly true. A German police officer cannot "just" self-issue a search warrant.

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pschastain an hour ago | parent [-]

>What you are claiming about European cops is also not uniformly true. A German police officer cannot "just" self-issue a search warrant.

Yes. The more worrying situation is that Hungary can just decide that their police officers can self-issue search warrants, and then send those around the EU in the form of EIOs.

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generic92034 an hour ago | parent [-]

This is more of a theoretical concern, though.

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pschastain an hour ago | parent [-]

Do you feel the random EAW case described by this London law firm is also a theoretical concern? https://greatjames.co.uk/martin-henley-secures-the-dismissal...

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generic92034 an hour ago | parent [-]

That delay is concerning, obviously. But how should we judge that, without any further insights?

However, usually it works more like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puigdemont#Arrest_in_Ge...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carles_Puigdemont#Arrest_in_It...

Usually LE in European countries will not respect warrants from another country if it does not make sense in the local jurisdiction as well.

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		Germany agreed to extradite Puigdemont, Spain did not want him. Perhaps because they wouldn't have been able to prosecute him for rebellion? Rebellion is not one of the EAW listed offenses, so it would require German approval. Same is not true for most crimes. Italy? I assume the prosecutor there told the Spanish there's no way the Rebellion will stick, and the Spanish told the Italians to just drop it. I assume they'll keep him listed on the SIS in case they get a hit in some friendlier jurisdiction. >Usually LE in European countries will not respect warrants from another country if it does not make sense in the local jurisdiction as well. This is incorrect and goes explicitly against the intent of the relevant frameworks.