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whycome 11 hours ago

And so much of the legacy media info is wrong. It’s strange because a lot of the primary sources are public.

This is a good overview so far:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vokLcNNGCM

raphlinus 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Very informative, thanks for the link!

ATC audio is https://archive.liveatc.net/klga/KLGA-Twr-Mar-23-2026-0330Z....

The clearance for AC8646 to land on runway 4 is given in a sequence starting at 4:58. "Vehicle needs to cross the runway" at 6:43. Truck 1 and company asks for clearance to cross 4 at 6:53. Clearance is granted at 7:00. Then ATC asks both a Frontier and Truck 1 to stop, voice is hurried and it's confusing.

Symbiote 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> And so much of the legacy media info is wrong. It’s strange because a lot of the primary sources are public.

You should provide sources for a claim like that. For example, what in the BBC article is wrong?

whycome 9 hours ago | parent [-]

If only we could diff the BBC article (it currently says it was posted 21 mins ago which is younger than your comment…). It’s changed multiple times now without any kind of changelog or acknowledgement.

> Video footage on social media showed the aircraft, which is operated by Air Canada's regional partner Jazz aviation, coming to a rest with its nose upturned.

This just isn’t true. There’s no video of the plane coming to a rest with its nose upturned (which implies motion). The upturned nose happened only after passengers deplaned and the balance shifted.

> It had slowed to about 24mph when it collided with a vehicle from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the airport.

This is the next part that will change. Just because some of the last broadcast data said 24mph doesn’t mean that’s the speed it was when it collided with the truck. The truck is on its side and those passengers are in hospital. The pilots are dead. The plane sustained enough structural damage to have the entire nose collapse. If the sentence is based on that broadcast data, SAY THAT instead of printing it as fact.

And with all the quotes from social media posts from key groups, link to them instead of just vaguely quoting.

EDIT:

As expected, they got rid of the above paragraph claiming the speed. It now says:

“The plane was arriving from Montreal and had landed, before colliding with the vehicle from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs the airport.”

smcin 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Any of us can help log the changes by submitting revisions of the article to web.archive.org

With a fast-changing news story where vague/incomplete/conflicting details emerge in the first few hours it's not unreasonable for the first few revisions to be like that, and eventually gets fixed hours or a day later.

whycome 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I think that’s what’s critical here. Post details and their sources to show that they are in flux. Don't write them as fact and then make secret edits.

donohoe 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Typically most primary sources are public.

quotemstr 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's hardly worth checking with the legacy media anymore. Really, why bother?

bregma 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why bother with the facts when you're already heard all the gossip?

3842056935870 an hour ago | parent [-]

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keiferski 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

At the very least it’s worth reading to see what most people / the people in power are reading or want others to read.

The NYT is biased, but it’s still basically the most official newspaper of the American ruling class.

sofixa 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because some of them still have standards. They will correct themselves if something was wrong.

Everyone can write a comment on Reddit / make a podcast / video / whatever claiming whatever they want. Unless you already know and trust them (which requires you to be able to cross-check their information), it's potentially as useful as a random LLM hallucination. Could be brilliantly spot on, or could be completely nonsense. No way of knowing unless you already know enough. (Because even cross-checking won't necessarily save you, if you cross-check multiple bullshit sources).

Media with standards (like the BBC, Guardian, Liberation, etc.) will do their best to report truthfully (even if sometimes with some bias), and will fix their mistakes if they're caught later on or the story evolves. Independent media checking organisations have shown time and time again that there is trustworthy media, you just need to know which it is, and always take a pinch of salt. It's wild to me that people will just dismiss rags such as Fox News and relatively quality media like Guardian in the same breath.