| ▲ | mrbombastic a day ago |
| Crazy how effective at making everything worse this admin has been. |
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| ▲ | arvid-lind a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| That's the strategy of Project 2025, make all the nice things we have much worse and broken so there's no choice but to scrap and start over. While they're in charge, of course. |
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| ▲ | MengerSponge a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Showing that government doesn't work by making sure government doesn't work. | |
| ▲ | fundad a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Project 2025 and the Trump administration is the most success ant-growth movements have ever had. | | |
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| ▲ | stackghost a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Trump is but a symptom of an underlying sickness. Things won't magically go back to normal after he dies. |
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| ▲ | majormajor a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Very few other people have Trump's ability to channel frustration in a nonspecific-but-charismatic way that connects the various extreme factions of the American right. None of those factions will be gone, but their battles will weaken their cause more than they have since 2016. Some of this can be seen by how even his own popularity falls any time he actually has power, since there are no effective ideas there, only misplaced blame, and that doesn't sustain support for four years. Without him there at all in an out-of-power period, the "blame the Jews"/"blame the brown people"/"blame the women"/"blame the baby-killers"/"blame the anti-Semites"/"blame the sexual deviants" factions will likely fail to find another person they all rally around. | | |
| ▲ | goosejuice a day ago | parent | next [-] | | The extreme factions of the right are a very small portion of the electorate. They generally don't decide elections beyond the primaries and generally turn out in favor of the right regardless. Dems lean more on moderates/independents. Trump won because he persuaded that group, particularly the young men. https://www.thirdway.org/memo/why-republicans-can-win-with-t... | | |
| ▲ | fakedang a day ago | parent [-] | | 25-33% of the electorate is no small fraction. There's a group of people who have been consistently supportive of this government's policies since 2016. Take any policy survey, and the fraction that supports the right-wing side of action always amounts to a consistent 25-33% of the votes. | | |
| ▲ | goosejuice a day ago | parent [-] | | You're going to have to define extreme right with those percentages. You think 25-33% of the electorate is extreme right? | | |
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| ▲ | intended a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While being largely correct, looking at his popularity misses the forest for the tree. Trump is very much a symptom, not a cause. He is simply the kind of personality most fit for the media environment. The media environment on the right has essentially eschewed journalistic standards for political and economic velocity. Fringe theories get introduced during podcasts, which then get brought up by guests on Fox. Members of the government point out that the news media is talking about fringe theory X, which then gets repeated by the news media. Eventually the government opens up an investigation or creates a task force to address the issue. It is not that people don’t come up with objections or counter narratives on the right, it’s just that they don’t get platformed. Verification is the expensive part of journalism. If you eschew verification. You can be more efficient. Today the right is simply the more “efficient” political consensus manufacturing machine. This is foundation upon which the rest of the events occur. This is why there will always be space for another character to appear. | |
| ▲ | fakedang a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Trump's ability to channel frustration in a nonspecific-but-charismatic way If Trump is the most charismatic political personality America has to offer... |
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| ▲ | malfist a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Did someone say they would? | | |
| ▲ | lyu07282 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Many liberal people think he is an abberation, they would gladly return back to "normal". The point is, he is a symptom of a larger unaddressed sickness, there is no return to business as usual, it will only return far worse. To prompt with something more specific: there is a possibility of a Gavin Newsom vs. Tucker Carlson in 2028, it's crucial to understand why Tucker might win and why he would be ten times worse than Trump. | |
| ▲ | greenavocado a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most people think Trump is the lynchpin, when in fact, its his masters that decide what happens next. | | |
| ▲ | andrewflnr a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Even if he was, a lot of things have been destroyed that will take a lot longer to rebuild. Notably, trust. | |
| ▲ | stuaxo a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It would delay things, he has a "charisma" that his followers look like. But it's true he is a symptom. | | |
| ▲ | greenavocado a day ago | parent [-] | | He is not a symptom he is an actor that is playing a part in a script. He is manipulated, bullied, and blackmailed into submission. |
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| ▲ | JeremyNT a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Having somebody less incompetent, senile, and corrupt at the helm may not make things "magically go back to normal," but it's a step in the right direction. Necessary but not sufficient. Perhaps you'll be explicit though, what is the "sickness" you perceive? | | |
| ▲ | stackghost a day ago | parent | next [-] | | >Perhaps you'll be explicit though, what is the "sickness" you perceive? It's that a significant number of Americans are mean, selfish, racist, arrogant, and delight in the victimization of those they perceive as belonging to an outgroup. 2/3 of your electorate either voted for him (meaning they liked what they saw) or were sufficiently unbothered by him to not vote (meaning they were more or less okay with Trump). These crocodile tears about how "we were bamboozled" are just that. It was plainly obvious to the rest of us looking in from outside, even before his first term but certainly after, that he was exactly the person he is now, and fully two thirds of American voters accepted this. | | |
| ▲ | LeChuck 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Has been the case for decades: http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/ >The left won’t accept this awful truth about the American soul, a beast that they believe they can fix “if only the people knew the Truth.” >But what if the Truth is that Americans don’t want to know the Truth? What if Americans consciously choose lies over truth when given the chance–and not even very interesting lies, but rather the blandest, dumbest and meanest lies? What if Americans are not a likeable people? The left’s wires short-circuit when confronted with this terrible possibility; the right, on the other hand, warmly embraces Middle America’s rank soul and exploits it to their full advantage. The Republicans know Americans better than the left. They know that it’s not so much Goering’s famous “bigger lie” that works here, but the dumber and meaner the lie, the more the public wants to hear it repeated. | |
| ▲ | morkalork 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Today is MAGA, yesterday it was the "Tea Party" faction, before that it was something else, and tomorrow there will be another. Every time there's a cycle of fringe-right blowing up in popularity, pushing an agenda and flaming out, it's still the same people they're appealing to who are voting for them. |
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| ▲ | throwawaytea a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The main problem with your thinking is that you fail to realiZe that a lot of conservatives criticism of Trump is that he is too weak on the things he promised to be hard on.
They want MORE ICE, more cuts to government programs, more police. |
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| ▲ | michaelhoney a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It will be a lot harder to convince voters when he's gone... if the US still has elections | | | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Could you enlighten the class as to what you believe the underlying sickness is? | |
| ▲ | jb827 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | America has neglected working class people for decades. The economy has shifted from supporting earning income to make a decent living, to protecting assets (bail outs etc.) Trump tapped into this and tricked these people into electing him, bringing along right wing or whatever they are.. and they got hold of power. Don't think numbers are there for this culture war crowd to stay in power unless they hitch a ride with someone.
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| ▲ | JPKab a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | solid_fuel a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > A totalitarian theocratic regime with long range ballistic missiles and nukes. Man, imagine that, how scary. I bet in theocratic regimes there's a bunch of stupid stuff going on, like a ~Secretary~ Minister of ~War~ Defense that justifies an attack on a foreign nation by calling it a holy war and prays every time he gives a speech to the troops. Those theocrats probably do things like de-funding every science project they can when they get power. Or worse, maybe they think vaccines are against god's will and get a bunch of kids sick by opposing vaccines for preventable diseases. Hell they probably don't even teach their kids about evolution or gay people. Can you imagine if a nation like that had nuclear weapons and long range missiles? Why, they might start a war for no reason. | |
| ▲ | archagon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 47 years? What a convenient sounding number. Wonder where you got it from. | |
| ▲ | jghn a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I honestly thought you were talking about the US in your first paragraph. | | |
| ▲ | JPKab a day ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | jghn 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I did assume you were being hyperbolic when writing it, but yes. I would think that anyone looking at the state of the US right now may see "A totalitarian theocratic regime with long range ballistic missiles and nukes" as referring to it. Totalitarian: hyperbolic, but the state of the executive branch over the last couple of decades is moving things in that direction. And clearly one could say this to make a point. Theocratic: A slight stretch, but mostly yes. Long range ballistic missiles: check Nukes: check | |
| ▲ | awnird a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Israel has killed more civilians than Russia and Iran combined. I don’t think your concern for civilian casualties is genuine. | |
| ▲ | keybored 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The kind of whacky religiousness that you find in the US matters because of foreign policy, among other things. (There are also domestic things like right to abortion.) The US ambassador to Israel is a Zionist that talks about the Bible with Tucker Carlson as if should have any policy weight, because he believes so. There are other (Republican) politicians that say something like the US having a Biblical responsibility to support Israel. > The narcissism of small differences on full display here. And what is your pose, here? The selfishness of implicitly dismissing the foreign policy implications of American religious n*jobs because you don’t live in the affected countries? |
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| ▲ | bdangubic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | was this copy/pasted from a post from 30 years ago or was it typed up from scratch? | |
| ▲ | mrbombastic a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You certainly built a large strawman out of one sentence. | |
| ▲ | awnird a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hey, you forgot “they hate us for our freedoms” in your propaganda spiel. | |
| ▲ | cogman10 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah it's a good thing we dismantled that regime and totally didn't empower the most extreme and radical portion of it while removing the politicians who'd tempered that and turned the population against the US and Israel. But hey, at least we've lifted sanctions and we are now sending them even more money because the oil market was completely destroyed so that's great right? Obviously this is the best strategy because we can see how the Taliban was completely dismantled in Afghanistan after 20 years of occupation right? Unless you are proposing genocide of Iran or an eternal occupation, what we've done is kicked a hornets nest. | |
| ▲ | TacticalCoder a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | rixed a day ago | parent [-] | | I wish we could throw in a giant arena every person believing in "inherent evil", be it "of islamism" or "of zionism" or "of America", give them knives and books, and let them fight until they figure t out. |
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| ▲ | lyu07282 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I agree THAT ethno nationalist country in the middle east, with long-range ballistic missiles, secret nukes and a secret nuclear doctrine that hasn't signed any Non-Proliferation treaty should make everybody worried. But that country isn't Iran. It's the only country in the world with nuclear weapons that at this moment gets bombarded by missiles right now, if that doesn't make you worried you aren't paying attention. |
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| ▲ | elromulous a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Agreed. But also why are you speaking like Yoda? |
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| ▲ | encrypted_bird a day ago | parent [-] | | They're not; they're speaking colloquially: this is the word "It's" omitted from the beginning. --- *EDIT*: Corrected word. Lol. | | |
| ▲ | rdiddly a day ago | parent | next [-] | | That's not what made it sound like Yoda. It was sticking "has been" at the end, and I agree there was a better choice stylistically: "Crazy how effective this admin has been at making everything worse." | | |
| ▲ | mrbombastic a day ago | parent [-] | | Didn’t even strike me as weird phrasing. Or rather: strike me as weird phrasing it did not. |
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| ▲ | daemonologist a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | "It's," perhaps? | | |
| ▲ | encrypted_bird a day ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, nope, you're right. Not sure why my brain thought "The". Haha. I blame on the roughlu 2½ hours of sleep I got last night. Yay insomnia! |
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