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nout 6 days ago

In the meantime systemd already added handling for Age to the system bus. Next step is to add your race, then income, then who you voted for...

crimsonnoodle58 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones.

If someone wants to introduce an age-verification-ca-module, fine, but not make it core. Yes I understand systemd is not the kernel, but its ubiquitous enough.

That just says to every country around the world; Windows, Mac, and even Linux is on board too, let's make it law also!

I dunno, I always expected Linux to be the last bastion of freedom and not to capitulate so easily.

wormius 6 days ago | parent | next [-]

Systemd has always rubbed me the wrong way, and its uptake across all the base distros turns me off, but at least...

https://nosystemd.org/

There are still distros without it, I may have to go to one, since I already jumped Win10 to Cachy for the BS MS is pulling. I was going to go systemd-free but Cachy "just worked" compared to the others in terms of setup. So I stuck with it.

I wish Lennart would just stop already.

wolvoleo 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah it's one of the reasons I run BSD. I don't want stuff changing that works well. And I don't want big tech suits telling me what's good for me.

BSD is much less invested in chasing the next big thing, and also has much less contributions from big tech. Which for me are both pluses. Of course I respect those who differ but they have Linux.

And when I see what Poettering is working on now with ammutable I'm even more glad I'm not on that train.

opan 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Your link's not loading for me, but I can recommend Guix System to anyone looking for a systemd-free distro similar to NixOS. For something Arch-like, there's Void (but beware it is not actually based on Arch, so no AUR or pacman).

handoflixue 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality? Especially invasive/anti-privacy ones.

1) It's legally required to sell computers with that OS in certain jurisdictions

2) I presume there is at least one person actually selling said

3) The feature is so trivially easy to bypass that it presents no reasonable privacy threat at this time (IIRC, it's just a numeric field with no validation?)

crimsonnoodle58 5 days ago | parent [-]

Lets up the ante.

After seeing how easily California bent OS developers (commerical and open source) to comply with their local laws, Canada decides they will go one further. They aren't happy with a simple date field that can be easily fudged. So they pass a law that requires all OS's to continually scan the biometrics of users using the OS. ie. Camera if it has one, fingerprint reader once an hour, voice analysis, etc.

They also refuse to allow computers to be sold in their country unless OS developers comply with their law.

Do you think you'll see such enthusiam to comply? Or will the line be drawn at some point?

egorfine 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Why? Why should Linux ever implement local laws like this as core functionality?

I have no idea.

But they did actually bend over.

dathinab 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Why?

it's maintained by companies

they have to comply with law

that they are mostly US companies doesn't exactly help either

Muromec 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Finally we can set the evil bit correctly on a kernel level.

iugtmkbdfil834 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is ok. The writing was on the wall for a while. It is time to let it go. It served its purpose. We might as well start mapping out a way without it in a more serious way out of sheer necessity. I know I am.

throwoutA556789 4 days ago | parent [-]

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joe_mamba 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Western tech direction in the last 5 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXL-r8deB5o

gruez 6 days ago | parent [-]

If you think that's bad, just wait till you see eastern tech.

haolez 6 days ago | parent [-]

That's an interesting topic. Please, elaborate.

joe_mamba 6 days ago | parent [-]

Western surveillance tech is superior because it gives you the option to choose your gender on a fluid scale when they're vacuuming your private data, whereas backwards eastern tech limits you to only male or female.

nout 6 days ago | parent [-]

What about not asking for gender when gender is completely irrelevant to the thing that the user is trying to do?

joe_mamba 6 days ago | parent [-]

But how would the government know who's writing mean comments against them online without detailed surveillance?

enoint 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nit: introducing a user account field is not the same as the system bus. It’s in ~/.identity and might be absent altogether.

throwawayk7h 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

to clear up a misconception for everyone, systemd doesn't do age verification. it just lets you set age restrictions on accounts. It's very sensible.

cmxch 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And for some distros, it’s a CoC violation to question it.

ranger_danger 5 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Next step is to add your race, then income, then who you voted for

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

sophrosyne42 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

A guess for what's next is not a slippery slope argument, let alone a fallacy.

ranger_danger 5 days ago | parent [-]

It was not phrased as a guess though, but as a "fact" that cannot be proven

fsflover 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

From your link:

> non-fallacious forms of the argument can also exist.[7]: 273–311

fc417fc802 5 days ago | parent | next [-]

Also most human communication isn't about formal logical reasoning. It's only a fallacy when applied in the form "A therefore B". We can make all sorts of useful and relevant observations about human and societal behavior that aren't logically rigorous.

ranger_danger 5 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes they can, but claiming a theoretical future event as fact (or inevitable) I would consider particularly fallacious as it's impossible to prove.

And I think history also shows these claims rarely end up happening the way these alarmists think it will.

Usually when a slope appears, regulation steps in, technology evolves, or the culture shifts, rather than society devolving into some inescapable dystopian hellscape.

fsflover 4 days ago | parent [-]

Google has been following the trend of locking down Android for a decade. The slippery slope is a fact here.

drnick1 6 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't see what prevents anyone (e.g., a distro maintainer) from patching that anti-feature out of the source or disabling with with root access. As long as people can control the software running on their machines, which is the idea behind Linux, nothing that people don't actually want will stay in the system.

Systemd shouldn't be foisting this nonsense on Linux users however. I suppose the anti-systemd subset of the Linux community was proven right after all, this is the kind of issue that can end up facing when a huge piece of opinionated software like systemd more or less becomes an indispensable part of Linux.

alexdns 6 days ago | parent | prev [-]

it was reverted ?

crooked-v 6 days ago | parent [-]

Someone tried to gaslight the maintainers into reverting it and was rejected.