Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.

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simonw 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The first company to deliver a truly secure Claw is going to make millions of dollars.

I have no idea how anyone is going to do that.

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_pdp_ 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are secure alternatives but they are not making millions of dollars.

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simonw 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Which secure alternatives? I've not seen any yet.

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_pdp_ 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Connecting telegram to an agent with a bunch of skills and access to isolated compute environment is largely a solved problem. I don't want to advertise but here but plenty of solutions to spin this up, including what we have built.

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feznyng 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That isn't secure is the issue, the more things you have it hooked up to the more havoc it can cause. The environment being locked down doesn't help when you're giving it access to potentially destructive actions. And once you remove those actions, you've neutered it.

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_pdp_ 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The openclaw security model is the equivalent of running as root - i.e. full access. If that is insecure the inverse of it is running without any access as default and adding the things that you need.

This is pretty much standard security 101.

We don't need to reinvent the wheel.

	▲	simonw 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The unsolved security challenge is how to give one of these agents access to private data while also enabling other features that could potentially leak data to an attacker (see the lethal trifecta.) That's the product people want - they want to use a Claw with the ability to execute arbitrary code and also give it access to their private data.

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lemming 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But if it doesn’t have access to the network, then it’s just not very useful. And if it does, then it’s just a prompt injection away from exfiltrating your data, or doing something you didn’t expect (eg deleting all your emails).

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ares623 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's easy. We just keep pumping these things and remind everyone that there's no real consequences (at least to the people who actually matter) and what was previously agreed as super important and critical will eventually turn out to no longer be super important or critical. Lethal trifecta solved. Who cares if your agent is forwarding private and confidential emails to random people, if everyone else is doing it too. Syndrome from the Incredibles movie won, and we helped make it happen. In fact, we made sure of it.

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aminebnk 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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mstkllah 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What are your uses for it? If you don't mind sharing.

	▲	phil21 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		For me, personal home IT “chores” that I’ve put off for years. I can do them, but god what a pain in the ass to spin up a VM, configure Prometheus, configure grafana, configure a bunch of collectors for my WiFi and network infrastructure, and then spend a night or three tweaking dashboards and re-learning promql or whatever. I just end up never doing it. Got it done in a couple hours with openclaw. I’m sure there are much better ways to do that, which I will now learn in time due to the initial activation energy being broken on the topic. But for now, it’s fun running down my half decade old todo list.
	▲	sodapopcan 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Writing blog posts and HN comments about how awesome OpenClaw is its #1 utility.
	▲	pupppet 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I wonder about this as well. I see people breathlessly talking about how it manages their inbox or checks flight statuses, but how often should you need a bot for these things?
	▲	quietsegfault 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I haven’t found ANY uses for it where it actually did what it was supposed to do.

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user3939382 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You assume the security is something you bolt on rather than the security weakness being inextricable from the value. The superior approach is to distill what the LLM is doing, with careful human review, into a deterministic tool. That takes actual engineering chops. There’s no free lunch.

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plufz 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you tell me about your favorite use cases?