The regime in the US has been terrorizing around the world for decades. Among many other things, it overthrew the democratic Iranian government to establish a puppet autocracy in Iran, leading directly to the current one after a revolution. The entire reason Iran funds terrorists that target the US is because the US is an existential threat to it. So your argument basically boils down to "if I shoot someone, and they shoot me back, am I not entitled to self-defense?". The actual answer is to stop shooting them. Stop fucking up the entire Middle East and the people from there won't hate a country across the world so much that they feel a worthwhile use of their life is to strap a bomb to themselves in order to kill people from there.

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trimethylpurine 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your other comment is locked apparently. Can't reply.

But there you suggested that the US should stop because they make Iran want to bomb and that's why there's war. And we can say the same about Iran.

So, your solution is hopeless as we already know from centuries of conflict history. Iran wants to kill us for historical events. We want to kill them for those too. Very insightful.

But we're bigger and the war is just on the TV in America. You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge.

I didn't know why you think America will be easier to convince of that.

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applfanboysbgon 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Iran wants to kill us for historical events.

No, Iran wants to kill you for current events. You're talking like American imperialism in the Middle East is past-tense. It is on-going, constantly. It is happening right now. This, itself, is an imperialist war. Trump is not going to war for whatever fucking reason you think he is, like stopping terrorism or changing the Iranian regime to help the Iranian people.

> You have a much better shot of convincing them that we'll stop bombing them if they just take it for a while and then don't seek revenge.

They LITERALLY DID THAT. The first invasion striking their nuclear facilities was itself an act of war that would have justified closing the Strait and all other measures they could take to fight back. Yet they accepted such a blatant crime against them and tried to de-escalate, were in the middle of negotiating a humiliatingly one-sided deal (after Trump tore up the one they had made with Obama, for no reason), and then the US attacked them in the middle of negotiations for the second time in a row. This time killing their leader, 150 children, and countless other crimes. Nobody could ever lay down and accept that. You have just created a country full of people that will justifiably hate you for another 80 years, minimum. They have been taught that the only thing trying to appease the US does is embolden the US to take even more from them.

I don't know how to communicate this to you, but your country IS THE AGGRESSOR. The US is worse than Iran. Fullstop. The Iranian regime is evil, and despite that, the American regime manages to be multiple times worse. Peace in the Middle East was possible. It is the US who is constantly, constantly, constantly stirring up conflicts there, and you have the gall to blame Iran for it.

	▲	Hikikomori 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Just to add, Israel killed Irans negotiators last year when they were approaching a deal. This situation is manufactured.

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trimethylpurine 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>The regime in the US has been terrorizing around the world

Yeah, that already happened. Now what? How do we stop more kids from getting kidnapped, raped, murdered, or bombed?

Your proposed solution is essentially a leader in every country that has suffered from Iran's terror who can convince his/her people that their kidnapped children are worth it.

Obviously that isn't feasible. But worse, how is that different than saying it's okay for Iran to kidnap children?

	▲	applfanboysbgon 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> How do we stop more kids from getting kidnapped, raped, murdered, or bombed? Not launching missiles at schools would be a great start to stopping kids from being bombed! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47479695