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| ▲ | mhb 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If "not tolerating the intolerant" is not actionable, it is just mindless rhetoric. | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is actionable. That action is simply not "world conquest", jesus fucking christ. Is America itself a society in which the intolerant have no power? No, it is not. Maybe first it could think about clearing things up in its own borders before trying to use that excuse to invade the whole goddamn world. Indeed it is the intolerant who currently have power in the US. You seem to be projecting your own desire for invading Iran, which is completely incompatible with the people in power's actual reason for invading Iran. They are not invading Iran to make life better for Iranians. But you believe invading Iran to make life better for Iranians is justified, so you lend your support to the current administration, even though that is explicitly not what is going to happen as a result of your support. You are, in short, a useful idiot[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot | | |
| ▲ | trimethylpurine 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Regardless of why we're there, did you want to keep Khameini in power while he coordinates terror? What is your solution for that? |
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| ▲ | wholinator2 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You'd be hard pressed to find someone more intolerant that the islamic regime of iran. So what are we going to do about it. What actions are we taking to not tolerate them? We tried the nuke deal and they lied and kept building. We tried sanctions and that crippled their economy and led people to attempt regime change, only to be murdered by the tens of thousands in the streets, brutally suppressed. All this while the regime is funding the majority of terrorism in the world today, fucking with literally every country in the middle east to attempt to assert their regime and rules farther and wider. At what point do we do something? How many have to die for us to decide to act. I'm aware that number is not 1, is it 35,000? 100,000? If not a number then what, what does it take to act? | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > We tried the nuke deal and they lied and kept building This is a lie. A complete fabrication. Trump says this, completely baselessly, without a shred of evidence, as known liars are wont to do. They allowed inspectors in and not one of them ever suggested they were violating the terms of the deal. > How many have to die for us to decide to act. This is a murky question, but if anybody was going to intervene in a country's domestic affairs, it would need to be by broad international consensus to have any legitimacy. It absolutely cannot be a unilateral invasion where one country decides who is worthy of invading and who is not. Moreover, that is not why they were invaded. Whatever qualms you have with the Iranian regime, this war is not a war to instate democracy in Iran. We already saw with Venezuela literally just two months ago that Trump invaded and deposed the leader, only to keep the current regime in place with an agreement to serve as his country's economic vassal. Stop projecting your own justifications for why you would invade Iran if you were President of the United States, to justify the actions of the current one who is not invading for those reasons. The only thing you are doing by justifying his invasion for unrelated reasons is giving your support to the death of more innocent Iranians that you ostensibly want to help. | | |
| ▲ | trimethylpurine 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you support Khameini's call and platform to fund the export of Islamic Revolution? Do you believe that other countries should be allowed to defend themselves from the import of Khameini's Islamic Revolution? Or did you not know that this was his openly stated purpose? How many people have to die before you start blaming the international community for inaction or worse, you start to feel that the international community is complicit because they prevent one country from acting while another funds terror attacks with impunity? | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know why you decided to hop to multiple unrelated threads of conversation with other people while ignoring my reply to you on this subject specifically earlier, but to restate: wholesale violence does not solve terrorism. You already fucking tried this in Afghanistan, and failed, badly. The solution to terrorism is to stop giving people reasons to be terrorists, which means you must stop killing their people and trying to conquer their land/resources, as the US has been engaged in constantly for the entire post-world-war period. A commitment to peace won't make all of the terrorists disappear overnight, so you will have to deal with a long tail of violence against you for years to come, which is known as "consequences for your actions". You have a right to take measures to defend yourself against individual terrorists, but if you ever want actual peace, those measures can't include actions that will create new generations of terrorists, like invading a fucking country, assassinating its leader, bombing schools, sinking ships on diplomatic missions, and destroying infrastructure. Every single one of these actions will create new terrorists who hate your country so much they will lay down their lives to hurt it. Actually, not only did you ignore my reply, you're ignoring the post you're replying to as well. THIS WAR IS NOT EVEN A REGIME CHANGE WAR. STOP PROJECTING YOUR OWN MOTIVATIONS ONTO THE US GOVERNMENT. | | |
| ▲ | mhb 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > stop giving people reasons to be terrorists FFS they don't need reasons. Their stated goal and actions in support of it is the destruction of the apostatic free world. Your oppressed/oppressor narrative is vapid. Though terrorism is a tool they use, their goal is a caliphate with Sharia law. | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are literally brainwashed by American propaganda, JFC. Iranians do not hate you because you are free, they hate you because you are trying to control their country. Do you understand they are not movie villains? They are real people? Real people who would, in normal circumstances, prefer to live their lives peacefully? Imagine what it would take for you to decide the best way to spend your life is to strap a bomb to yourself and kill people from a country on the other side of the planet? Some reasons that may motivate you so heavily would perhaps include that country overthrowing your democracy and massacring your children. Reasons that are not likely are "jealousy of their FREEDOM". I already know your next tired argument will be BUT THE RELIGION OF PEACE, so I will go ahead and pre-empt it. It is not genuinely religion that motivates people to die in acts of terrorism. If it were, that would still not be a reason to attack America, which is on the other side of the planet, as opposed to any of their closer neighbors who are just as full of heathens. Take, for example, Japan. It is a notable country on the world stage, once the #2 economy in the world. It has never, not even a single time, been attacked by an Islamic terrorist. Why do you think that is? Is it because Japan is not free? Is it because Japan lives in accordance with Islamic principles? Or is it because, maybe, just maybe, Japan hasn't given a single person from the Middle East any reason to want to sacrifice themselves to kill Japanese people? Similarly, note that Indonesia is the fourth most populous country in the world, with 270 million people, 87% of which are Muslims. Not one of them has ever staged a terrorist attack against the US. Doesn't that seem strange to you? If Muslims are inherently evil people born for the religious purpose of attacking the US, surely Indonesians should be doing it too? Or maybe, just maybe, it's not actually religion that motivates such extreme acts of self-sacrifice, and the real reasons Indonesians don't attack the US is because the US has not given Indonesians reasons to hate it? | | |
| ▲ | mhb 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why are you making this about Muslims generally? | | |
| ▲ | applfanboysbgon 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You were already going there. > their goal is a caliphate with Sharia law. | | |
| ▲ | mhb 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Nope. But now that you see how your distorted world view can lead you to the wrong conclusion, you should consider reassessing. |
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