They don't own Rome anymore, the Vatican is their own country now thanks to ol' Benny. Anyway, both parties here are idiots with high opinions of themselves who actually believe in a pile nonsense, but which of the two has really caused more harm for humanity?

There is no "THE Antichrist" there are only antichrists, plural, normal not supernatural people and organizations that behave in a notably non-christlike way, and both parties here seem to qualify easily.

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vintermann 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> There is no "THE Antichrist" there are only antichrists, plural

Funnily enough, the bible agrees, or at least John's epistles.

People who fantasize themselves as the antichrist (like Thiel, he's not very good at hiding it) ought to remember that antichrists being a dime a dozen is quite biblical.

	▲	davyAdewoyin 14 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Not completely true, the bible mention "antichrists" as in many and a particular "The Antichrist". The Antichrist is supposed to be the apex of the hubris.

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bryanrasmussen 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>but which of the two has really caused more harm for humanity?

I take it you would like to compare against the whole of the Vatican's existence, and not against just the whole of Peter Thiel's adulthood?

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mikkupikku 15 hours ago | parent [-]

If you like, we could compare a single Thiel adulthood to individual randomly chosen lives of popes. The average pope has a lot more blood on their hands. Both are bad, but one has caused more harm to humanity no matter which way you slice it. To argue that a single heretic is worse than the whole catholic church rings pretty silly to me. The best would be if they were to both destroy each other, but let's be real and acknowledge that Peter Thiel is going to die and become irrelevant long before the catholic church, which may very well continue on for another two thousand years for all we know.

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JackFr 15 hours ago | parent [-]

What is the average pope? Fabian? Felix IV? Linus? Eusebius? Pius IV?

	▲	bryanrasmussen 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Benedict V!

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zug_zug 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> both parties here are idiots with high opinions of themselves who actually believe in a pile nonsense, but which of the two has really caused more harm for humanity?

That's not really a reasonable argument, because Thiel hasn't had the power of the Vatican (especially the power the vatican used to have), but what he's done with his power so far is much more concerning to me that what the vatican has done in the last 4 years, yes.

I think we both agree that the catholic church has received an unwarranted elevation and presumption of beneficence in media, but the distinction I'm drawing is that a billionaire who's toiling in American politics and claiming Greta Thunburg could be the antichrist is actively concerning.

	▲	mikkupikku 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think it's a reasonable argument that we should be more concerned with the organization that has the better part of a two thousand year track record of murdering people, but in either case I did just accuse both of them of being antichrists. Anyway, Greta is my queen.

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steveBK123 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> there are only antichrists, plural

Agreed, it would be exceptionally hard to choose just 1 (or even 10) right now.