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| ▲ | winkelmann 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| There's probably a worthwhile discussion to be had about what it takes for a site in this situation to be removed from blocklists. An apology? Surrender to authorities? Halting the malicious activity for a certain period of time? Regardless, another user reports the attack is still ongoing[1], so this isn't a discussion that's going to happen about archive.today anytime soon. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474777 |
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| ▲ | ryandrake 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I suppose “evidence that the site’s leadership has permanently changed” would convince me. Whoever decided to put in the code that causes visitors to DDOS someone should never be running a web site again. | | |
| ▲ | tumdum_ 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | So, in your mind, there is no way for an individual owning archive.today to recover from this? |
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| ▲ | leonidasv 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Also, they were caught tampering saved webpages as well, so the website cannot be trusted to fulfill it's main purpose anymore: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-a... |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Why? Because once the problematic content is removed it should no longer be blocked. >It's accurate It is neither a C&C server for a botnet, nor any other server related to a botnet. I would not call it accurate. >Nobody should ever use that site It has a good reputation for archiving sites, has stead the test of time, and doesn't censor pages like archive.org does allowing you to actually see the history of news articles instead of them being deleted like archive.org does on occasion. |
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| ▲ | 3eb7988a1663 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The site started doctoring archived versions as part of the petty feud. That is, what was supposed to be a historical record, suddenly had content manipulated so as to feed into this fight[0]. There is no redemption. You want to be an archive, you keep it sacrosanct. Put an obvious hosting-site banner overlay if you must, but manipulating the archive is a red-line that was crossed. ...On 20 February 2026, English Wikipedia banned links to archive.today, citing the DDoS attack and evidence that archived content was tampered with to insert Patokallio's name.[19] The decision was made despite concerns over maintaining content verifiability[19] while removing and replacing the second-largest archiving service used across the Wikimedia Foundation's projects.[20] The Wikimedia Foundation had stated its readiness to take action regardless of the community verdict.[19][20]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today | | |
| ▲ | boredhedgehog 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That line of argument is rather misleading, as some kind of content manipulation is inherent to the service an archive that violates paywalls has to provide. It needs to conceal the accounts it uses to access these websites, and their names and traces are often on the pages it's archiving. Did AT go beyond that and manipulate any relevant part? That's rather difficult to say now. AT is obviously tampering with evidence, but so is Wikipedia; their admins have heavily redacted their archived Talk pages out of fear one of these pseudonyms might be an actual person, so even what exactly WP accuses AT of is not exactly clear. | |
| ▲ | charcircuit 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While I disagree with that action I still trust the site as a reliable source. Redemption is possible. Maybe not for Wikipedia, but I don't care about that site and consider it rotten. | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | tredre3 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | If archive.today was known to be run by God himself, I would still describe what he is doing as a DDoS and breaching the trust of its users by abusing their browser and bandwidth to conduct his battles. | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you replied to the wrong comment? That doesn't address what I wrote in any way whatsoever. Unless you're arguing that the response by archive.today retroactively justifies the behaviour of Jani Patokallio, which would be a bizarre take. |
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| ▲ | InsideOutSanta 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not just problematic content, it's criminal behavior. And the site has a bad reputation for archival, given that the owner altered the content of archived articles. | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >It's not just problematic content, it's criminal behavior. How is that supposed to be a big deal when the one of core services archive.today provides is obviously illegal anyway? | | |
| ▲ | InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure how illegal copyright violations really are, given that all major tech companies are doing it. DDoS attacks, on the other hand, are pretty clear-cut. I also think "but they also do that other crime" doesn't help their case. | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think the DDoS is clearly problematic, I just don't think it's problematic because it's criminal. It's problematic because it's childish and pointlessly degrades the user experience. |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The site commits copyright infringement by showing you content it doesn't have the rights for. This is not the kind of site to go on about morals for. >the site has a bad reputation Not compared to archive.org. archive.is has a much better track record. | | |
| ▲ | InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure whether you're making a joke or confusing the two websites. | | |
| ▲ | walletdrainer 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You’re just not at all familiar with the subject. Archive.org is awful. It allows site owners and random third parties to edit old archived pages. Archive.today does not. | | |
| ▲ | Hamuko 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Is it that much better that Archive.today reserves the right to edit old archived pages for the owner whenever they have a petty grudge with someone? At least site owners have the copyright on the pages that Archive.org saves. They can just get the content pulled through DMCA anyway. |
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| ▲ | gbear605 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is in fact a botnet - they’ve been hijacking user browsers to act as a botnet to DDoS. | | |
| ▲ | charcircuit 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are Hacker News users part of a botnet since they link to sites that when people click they go down due to all of the traffic? Am I part of a botnet if I have HN open as it means HN can execute javascript? I think it's stretching the definition. |
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| ▲ | JasonADrury 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | quotemstr 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Because it's not the place of a DNS resolver to police the internet. |
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| ▲ | qzzi 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1.1.1.1 is simply a free DNS, 1.1.1.2 blocks malware, and 1.1.1.3 blocks both malware and adult content. It's a service that does exactly what it's supposed to do. | |
| ▲ | ryandrake 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If I specifically choose a DNS server that promises to not resolve sites that will use my computer in a botnet, then it is that DNS resolver’s place to do that. | |
| ▲ | dqh 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This particular revolver is an opt-in service for users that want Cloudflare to block anything that Cloudflare designates as malware. | |
| ▲ | bawolff 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Literally what the product is here. |
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