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rdevilla 12 hours ago

Good luck, man. Nobody cared in 2012, and even less people care now. The west is lost. 1984 is already here.

echelon 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't give up!

If you think the heat has started, you're mistaken. We're not even in the fire yet. It can and will get waaaay worse.

We've been able to push back against these efforts time and time again. Don't stop. Call your legislators. Talk with your friends and get them to do the same. Vote against politicians that support it.

It does work.

int_19h 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The problem is that, as a constituency, we are and have always been a tiny minority. Call and vote all you want, it won't change a thing because most people just don't care - or at least don't care enough. And there aren't any good (as far as they are concerned) arguments to convince them otherwise.

rdevilla 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Whatever you think the scale of surveillance is, I assure you it is 100x worse.

North America is rooted. There is no recovery plan.

timschmidt 12 hours ago | parent [-]

My understanding is that Abraham Lincoln literally had all the nation's telegraph lines routed through DC during the civil war, and AT&T has been an honorary branch of the US government ever since.

rdevilla 12 hours ago | parent [-]

That tradition was carried into the modern era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

timschmidt 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm aware. And the GP you're responding to's username is echelon. I think they're aware as well.