| ▲ | e40 4 hours ago |
| The idea someone doesn’t know they bothering everyone around them is absurd. It is 100% malice. |
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| ▲ | andy99 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don’t know if anyone remembers the movie Inside Man where at the beginning they are waiting in line at the bank and the woman is having a loud conversation on her phone and the guard comes and tells here to keep it down. It’s this kind of person that I see not using speakers (when the movie was made I don’t think they contemplated humanity could sink that low), at best it’s entitlement, but I still think in most cases it boils down to not thinking about others vs actively trying to annoy them. |
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| ▲ | y1n0 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’m sure it is, much of the time. But I also believe many people are just completely self absorbed and devoid of empathy. |
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| ▲ | plagiarist 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am self-absorbed and devoid of empathy but it is still easy to logically deduce that other people don't want to hear my games, videos, or phone calls. | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Being devoid of empathy would mean you may realize that people don't want to hear your shit, but you wouldn't care what other people want |
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| ▲ | Sharlin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hanlon's razor applies. Yes, some people have a bad case of the main character syndrome simply because nobody has ever called them out on it. |
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| ▲ | mothballed 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Usually they have been called out on it a time or two. They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence, and look -- no one or almost no one is willing to do that. There are a couple of us who have actually seen someone call them out that are warning folks here what commonly happens. I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him when they asked them to stop. It isn't about the loud music itself, it's that they're openly saying they are king shit, that no one is willing to challenge them, and broadcasting their eagerness to deliver violence upon anyone that might. The other side of this is that they often do it on places you can't easily escape, like a train car with stops only every 5 minutes. This gives them a very long time to go to town on anyone that might challenges them. Something I've seen with my own eyes when they were asked to tone down the music. | | |
| ▲ | jghn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence I'm well aware of the types you're talking about, but in my experience this has largely changed. It used to be that these sorts were the most common offenders. But now it's just, well, everyone and anyone. For instance I don't think the little, old lady in front of me on the bus the other day was challenging people to violence. | |
| ▲ | Sharlin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think we're talking about two different groups of people. The ones I mean don't look dangerous, just self-absorbed. The ones you mean I don't have much experience of, they're not common around here. And they're certainly not common on airplanes. | |
| ▲ | andy99 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him I though the discussion here was about people not using their headphones on airplanes. |
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| ▲ | Fezzik 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A lot of people don’t get a lot of things; you know the adage about stupidity being a more likely cause than malice. Just last week I had to explain to a grown adult why spitting on the sauna floor was disgusting and rude to the other gym members. He was shocked. |
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| ▲ | dymk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's apathy |
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| ▲ | charcircuit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I experienced this in real life and this creature was unable to understand the bus driver telling her to stop. It's like they didn't understand English nor social signals. To me it seemed to stem from a lack of intelligence than from intentionally being malicious. |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They understand English. They just don't want to stop doing what they want to do. This is a quality that they share with everyone else on the planet by definition, but they think they're more important than other people. There are angry people playing dominance games on one hand, and on the other people who simply don't care what anybody else wants and will do what they can get away with. There's no difference in intelligence between the two, but only the first type can actually be reasoned with. The second type will only pretend to be reasonable until the person that they're intimidated by leaves the room. Everybody says "social cues," but as you said, the people who "don't get social cues" also don't seem to "get" direct requests or orders. |
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| ▲ | pstuart 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Sorry to disagree -- stupidity and self-centeredness have a plan in that too. |