Large surface and mini subs, yes. They still have many small boats for laying mines. These are indistinguishable from a typical motor boat.

Look at how Ukraine has denied Russia access to most of the Black Sea. It's going to be real hard to stop Iran from creating enough uncertainty to ease the worries of the shipping world. Iran will have to say they are done threatening the straight.

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nozzlegear 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We're losing the plot here. What use are small motor boats for launching ballistic missiles?

	▲	verdverm 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Comments and threads typically digress into related topics, so I don't see the plot lost, rather the context expanded in a subthread.

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irishcoffee 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The haven’t even started using these yet, curious who wins this game of chess: https://www.usff.navy.mil/press-room/news-stories/article/31...

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verdverm 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Many experts think Iran has already won. They don't have to lay mines to seed doubt, they don't need boats to close the straights, shaheds are sufficient. One does need to define what it means to "win"

For Iran, it seems the regime will stay in power, you can't remove them from the air. The geography and population size of Iran will prove more challenging than Iraq or Afghanistan. There is very little support for Trump's War. They never sought to persuade the people, it appears they have no plan b (which they wish to be illegal /s)

Hubris is an apt way to describe Trump's approach to Iran. One evidence to this is that they thought Venezuela was the model for Iran. A SA dictator is nothing like a religious movement that has taken root for ~50 years.

What does winning look like for the US & Israel? Trump has already claimed they won, but have more winning to do. What they have said changes daily and between who's talking. I imagine this will continue after hostilities end, they will backfill their goals to claim they "won", like so many other things they do this with.

The real winners from this? Probably Russia and China more than others.

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irishcoffee 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I was just talking about winning the “plant-bombs” vs “detect and-blow-up-bombs” chess game. I have no comment on the rest of what you said, nor do I care who “wins” here, I have no say in the matter and have chosen zero emotional investment.

	▲	verdverm 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Similarly, there are new laser guided hydra pods starting to roll out. https://en.defence-ua.com/news/ukraine_could_equip_its_f_16s...