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kubb 2 days ago

It has worked plenty. The US built its entire industrial base behind tariff walls in the 1800s. Japan protected Toyota and Sony until they could compete globally. South Korea did the same with Samsung. And China itself got there through decades of protectionism and subsidies.

epolanski a day ago | parent [-]

That's the same thing I said.

Protectionism can help when you want to develop an industry.

But it never works for mature ones.

jakubadamw a day ago | parent | next [-]

Correct, so that’s why it needs to be employed to help develop the Western EV industries so that they can compete with that of China.

EVs are so different that the know-how of the combustion engine power automobile industry does not extend to them. In fact, it can be detrimental.

demosito666 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

EV cars is not a mature industry.

epolanski a day ago | parent [-]

Isn't it?

Tesla is literally the first mover.

Volkswagen group sells 30 EVs. Both Mercedes and BMW have 8.

Stellantis has at least a couple dozens.

kubb a day ago | parent [-]

It's completely dominated by China in terms of volume, cost, and battery supply chain. They have the maturity, and are still pulling away.

Unprotected, western EV manufacturers die on the spot. Which is fine by me, until the Chinese don't have to compete on cost anymore, and can dictate the price.

To claim that what they need to succeed is less protectionism is a misunderstanding.

demosito666 a day ago | parent [-]

> Which is fine by me

The issue with car industry at least in Europe is not price. This is the last branch that is more or less alive, employs a lot of people and generates added value domestically. If it’s ceded to China, that means that you are at the next stage of deindustrialisation. From where we stand, it looks like that would mean economy collapse and crisis that we haven’t seen since… ever? If this is the way, we’ll have to figure how to live without relying on jobs as the way to survive (ubi, resource-based economy, etc). Since this is not even on the horizon, keep the tariffs for now, thank you.

kubb a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Tell that to American steel tariffs, which have been renewed by every president from Bush to Biden. Or European agriculture, protected for 70 years and still is. Or Japanese rice farmers. These are about as mature as industries get.