| ▲ | 0xfffafaCrash 2 days ago |
| I’m not familiar with the author but something about this post just seems mean-spirited and petty. Deno might not succeed as a project, especially with strong competition from Bun as an alternative to Node, but I would say that Deno has been more a force for bettering the ecosystem than not. Many of those at Deno, including Ryan as well as some of those who have apparently left or been let go have been major contributors to the web development ecosystem. Thank you all for your work — we’re better off for your contributions. |
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| ▲ | riazrizvi 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Isn't it reasonable bitterness? He invested a lot of his own life on a promise that didn't pan out, and there's probably a lot of people in that community. Leadership comes with responsibility and consequences. Content marketed at wannabe startup founders tends to be encouraging and panglossian. It's good to see here what you're signing up for if you succeed with some degree of traction. |
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| ▲ | chipgap98 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > He invested a lot of his own life on a promise that didn't pan out So did the people who built Deno | |
| ▲ | Yhippa 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > He invested a lot of his own life on a promise that didn't pan out Whose fault is that? | | |
| ▲ | yladiz a day ago | parent [-] | | So just don’t trust people or organizations? Like sure it’s the author’s fault in a sense but should they have just not trusted in the first place? |
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| ▲ | progx 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Has any competitor copied anything from Deno? |
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| ▲ | ronsor 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Deno basically popularized the idea of a standalone JS runtime that primarily relies on standard Web APIs over "in-house" APIs like Node, although we can say that those standard APIs didn't exist yet when Node was created and for most of its rising period. | | |
| ▲ | sheept 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Not only that, but they helped push for new web APIs and language features for server runtimes, like URLPattern |
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| ▲ | ZebulonP 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't think I'd go as far as "copying" but Deno was the first to aggressively push for web standards in server-side runtimes and certainly helped accelerate getting them adopted in that environment. I work at Cloudflare on Workers (but infrequently work on our runtime) and I've always been pretty impressed with Deno. Their recent-ish support for built-in OpenTelemetry is something we've been wanting to do for a while and have been working on, but Deno was able to build a good implementation of that in that time. | | |
| ▲ | kentonv 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Cloudflare Workers was actually pushing for web standards on the server side several months before Deno was announced. :) Though Ryan of course had a lot more clout from day 1 than I did. | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp a day ago | parent [-] | | (I love cloudflare workers and thanks for that), but I do think that credit is where its due and Deno's push for server side web standards also helped the general ecosystem. |
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| ▲ | 0xfffafaCrash 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it’s fair to say that work on the experimental-strip-types option in Node was inspired/energized by a desire to try to catch up with the DX improvements found in Deno for Typescript-first development that is now the norm. | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I always thought Deno was more or less trying to copy the Cloudflare (edge) runtime, but decided incompatibility was a good idea. The ecosystem bifurcation was the mistake, which they came around on, but it was already too late by then. |
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| ▲ | pjmlp 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Bun, competition? Zig is yet to be 1.0, and who knows what anthropic will make out of it. They can even pivot yet again back into node, as most acquisitions go. |
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| ▲ | nine_k 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | In the mindshare, certainly. Bun to Deno is what Zig i to Rust: a much simpler, much easier way to overcome its common predecessor's shortcomings. Not nearly as thoroughly and revolutionarily, but still. | | | |
| ▲ | pier25 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | You know any services as big as X or Claude Code built with Deno? AFAIK the biggest users of Deno are using their subhosting service (Netlify, Slack, etc) to allow third parties to execute TS code. | | |
| ▲ | pjmlp a day ago | parent [-] | | No, nor do I care, node is all that matters, long term. Eventually like it usually happens, it will get the most relevant features and that is about it. | | |
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