> citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy

It's certainly not to China's extent, but is America really that opposed to surveillance and lack of privacy?

Yes, we tend to raise a huge stink when evidence of such comes to the surface.

But actions speak louder than words, and through our actions we already largely accept surveillance and a lack of privacy.

Everyday consumer apps are some of the worst offenders. Our social media apps listen to us, Amazon Ring doorbells are allegedly accessed by ICE (though Amazon denies it), Flock cameras abound (not to mention the fact they're poorly secured so who knows who else is watching other than the municipalities Flock contracts with), companies own much of our data and sell them to myriad unknown sources on a whim. There are too many examples to list.

No, it's not as severe as China. But we're certainly not trending in the right direction.

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himata4113 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The american government pretends to care, but the moment you look deeper (snowden leaks), it's clear that they don't. But the fact still stands, the population is mostly against surveilance while chinese just keep their head down.

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giwook an hour ago | parent [-]

They have to keep their head down for fear it will get cut off (figuratively speaking, mostly). I doubt the majority of Chinese civilians are happy to be in a repressed state such as the one they're in.

And unfortunately it's pretty clear the current administration is working hard to enact a similar chilling effect on free speech. It's hard to see how we avoid becoming a similarly surveilled and repressed state if there were a third term.

	▲	himata4113 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I mean I didn't say it was a good thing. It's a benefit (to the government) that it is already widespread and accepted as part of life.