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senorrib 4 hours ago

Reasons 1-3 could very well be done with ClickHouse policies (RLS) and good data warehouse design. In fact, that’s more secure than a compiler adding a where to a query ran by an all mighty user.

Reason 4 is probably an improvement, but could probably be done with CH functions.

The problem with custom DSLs like this is that tradeoff a massive ecosystem for very little benefit.

mattaitken 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You’re right RLS can go a long way here. With complex RBAC rules it can get tricky though.

The main advantages of a DSL are you can expose a nicer interface to users (table names, columns, virtual columns, automatic joins, query optimization).

We very intentionally kept the syntax as close to regular ClickHouse as possible but added some functions.

efromvt 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As long as you don't deviate too much from ANSI, I think the 'light sql DSL' approach has a lot of pros when you control the UX. (so UIs, in particular, are fantastic for this approach - what they seem to be targeting with queryies and dashboards). It's more of a product experience; tables are a terrible product surface to manage.

Agreed with the ecosystem cons getting much heavier as you move outside the product surface area.

skeeter2020 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Personally I think that's worse. SQL - which is almost ubiqutous - already suffers from a fragmentation problem because of the complex and dated standardization setup. When I learn a new DBMS the two questions I ask at the very start are: 1. what common but non-standard features are supported? 2. what new anchor-features (often cool but also often intended to lock me to the vendor) am I going to pick up?

First I need to learn a new (even easy & familiar) language, second I need to be aware of what's proprietary & locks me to the vendor platform. I'd suspect they see the second as a benefit they get IF they can convince people to accept the first.