| ▲ | mromanuk 5 hours ago |
| The guy from the story, it’s just another developer starting from a different trade, pretty normal across our history, musicians, lawyers that discovered that they were good at computers. The conclusion is flawed, not anyone can endure what this person did, sit at a terminal, going back and forward until something is finished. That’s what a SW dev does. My conclusion, many more people will discover that they are good at software, not everybody, but some of them will discover this new powers, thanks to a new lower barrier provided by LLM. |
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| ▲ | unkiep 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| This sounds like "no true Scotsman..." |
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| ▲ | tariky 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You are 100% correct. That guy just did not know that he has developer soul. |
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| ▲ | coldtea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >thanks to a new lower barrier provided by LLM. New lower barrier means commodification. |
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| ▲ | mathisfun123 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Lol no it doesn't you literally have it backwards - think about the trades, specifically construction, as low barrier to entry jobs and consider that houses/buildings are all different (not commodities). | | |
| ▲ | coldtea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Lol,no. Houses/buildings are each isolated physical structures. Software is trivially and instantly replicated, and the same software can serve millions. Also, even in your example you're just the commodified roofer or construction worker. Not the non-commodified house. | |
| ▲ | knollimar 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Apprentices are considered commodities here | | |
| ▲ | mathisfun123 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Lol you think developers aren't already commodities? You joking? edit: i love how this is getting downvotes but no further responses. y'all are in denial. let me ask you this: why is the most common interview loop round a generic LC round? lolol | | |
| ▲ | coldtea 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Lol", do you think in lols or do you ever sit and consider something more deeply? Or maybe you think adding a lol makes the other side's argument ridiculous and yours stronger? Skipping the lols, here's the answer to your question: doesn't matter if developers "are already commodities" to some degree. First, because that degree is small, else developers wouldn't command such high salaries relative to other trades. So they might be commoditized compared to surgeons, but not at all compared to most office or blue collar trades. Second, even if they are commoditized to some degree, the argument is that AI will bring further commodification. Not that it will introduce the first and foremost case of commodification in the developing world. | | |
| ▲ | mathisfun123 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > developers wouldn't command such high salaries relative to other trades. lololol something can be a commodity and still expensive. to wit: have you heard of this thing called oil which is recently very expensive? > do you think in lols or do you ever sit and consider something more deeply? i think deeply enough to recognize when someone's reasoning is so flawed they should've almost immediately reconsidered their claim upon conceiving of it. and then i laugh out loud (at them) when they didn't. occasionally many many times. |
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| ▲ | knollimar an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was pointing out the reference wasn't pointing at the house but the apprentice. Lower barrier to entry means the developers are even more interchangeable than now. |
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| ▲ | pbiggar 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Let's take the metaphor of writing. Would we say this guy is just a writer who started from another trade? No. Writing is something that used to require experts (scribes) and that now anyone can do and is just a normal part of doing any work. Developers are scribes - we have sacred knowledge that is now being democratized because everyone can do it due to good enough tools. As a result, we won't be needed much going forward. |
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| ▲ | AndrewKemendo 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What is this “sacred knowledge?” Is it knowing how to write a regex without a reference, or maybe implementing a distributed ec postgres cluster using bash, ooh how about writing a minimum cnn in C for edge classification ooohhh wooowee… Ever worked construction? There’s hammer swingers that need one swing per nail and never miss. Or plasterers that make chalk look like marble. How about a high voltage lineman that can switch a 20kv oil-cooled transformer in less than 15 minutes to get the power to the school back on No different from any tradesman - we’re not special | |
| ▲ | joshstrange 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Developers are scribes - we have sacred knowledge that is now being democratized because everyone can do it due to good enough tools. As a result, we won't be needed much going forward. The ability to solve problems is what’s important. Not your ability to remember things or to hold sacred knowledge. | |
| ▲ | nkrisc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Writing is a tool, a technology. Much like hammers or saws, which are also commodified. And even though anyone can go buy a saw, not everyone is a carpenter. | | |
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