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hedora 4 hours ago

This is a fun rabbit hole to walk down.

You might have noticed that streaming is getting worse (more expensive, less selection, more ads, more fragmentation). For me, they crossed a breaking point, where I decided I'd just find something more convenient.

So, I went down to the local record store, where they have 10,000s of DVDs and Blu Rays in stock; many for $1 (DVD), $2 (BluRay), most under $5-10, and a few gems for $20-30. The prices are for a mix of new and used DVDs; some new DVDs are over-printed, and cost $1.

Problem half-solved. I looked around to figure out how to play these anachronistic shiny disks on my TV, and eventually settled on a USB BluRay RW drive (I guess you can get rewritable BluRays!)

I never figured out how you're supposed to actually use that drive to play movies. Instead, there's DeCSS from the article, then something comparable for BluRay. For the "easy" decryption, you end up downloading per-disk decryption keys for every disk ever printed.

For the more advanced stuff, they have this giant Java Rube Goldberg machine that xors glitches into the video stream. This gets applied at the factory, and then (on some hardware I guess you can purchase?) again via some complicated JVM stack that was originally meant to just render the scene selection menu.

[spoiler alert]

The easiest way to play those BluRays back is to just download the output of the Rube Goldberg machine. At some point the industry realized that scheme was dumb, so there's a finite set of glitch masks. The whole dataset for all BluRays that will ever be produced with this scheme is a few GB.

You might think that when I say "play", I mean "transcode + pirate", but it turns out that's not particularly practical. BluRays are multiple GB, and already compressed with codecs that are competitive with modern ones, so they don't shrink down like DVDs unless you're willing to lose a lot of quality.

So, yes, we have a growing collection of physical media. I target 20-30 movies / $100 when I go to the store. It's grand.

1317 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> The easiest way to play those BluRays back

buy a bd player? i don't know why you would settle on a usb rw drive when you could just have a box that plugs in via HDMI and works

adrian_b an hour ago | parent [-]

A bd player is a temporary solution.

At some point nobody will make bd players any more. Several big companies have already stopped production.

Then you would have a useless BluRay collection after your own player stops working.

The solution is of course to rip off the BluRay discs as soon as you buy them. Then you can have a higher-quality playback on a PC (due to much faster random access and sequential access on an SSD) and you can recopy them forever when the available storage media will change in the future, so you will not lose what you have paid for.

1317 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

and all existing players will disappear off the face of the earth never to grace the listings of ebay again

come on man

people can complain about the dvd/bd scrambling restricting your freedoms and stopping you from making backups etc, and sure that's true

but if you just want to sit in front of the tv and watch a film you bought, idk what more you could ask for

recursivecaveat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used to not be a physical media person. I have found that it makes it a lot easier for me to start and to finish things though. The fact I have to actually get up to swap the disk out if I want a distraction helps focus the attention span haha.

stevekemp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same story here, I can be used films on DVD for €1 at many charity shops. Boxed sets of TV shows are €2-5 depending on size/popularity.

The only downside is that I've noticed that the used DVD sections are definitely getting smaller. I guess fewer people are donating their collections these days.

I've bought a couple of DVD sets from Amazon, used, but the prices there aren't so competitive. Still it's nice to have physical media, with real/original soundtracks.

MathMonkeyMan 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How many GB? I see "bluray rip" mp4 files on torrent index sites, which I assume have been aggressively recompressed, but there are three size tiers in the "1080p" category: 2-3GB, 7-10GB, and 15+GB.

dddgghhbbfblk 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You want to search for BDMV for full disc images, or for remuxes which are uncompressed video and audio streams, if you want to get a sense for the size on disc. Typical Blu-ray images will be from 20-40ish GB.

ThrowawayTestr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It really depends on your hard drive space and your tolerance for compression. Two hours of decently compressed video is a few gigs, but if you want 10-bit HDR with 5.1 audio, then choose the 15 gig torrent.

ThrowawayTestr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I just torrent everything. It's equally as illegal.