| ▲ | aeternum 6 hours ago |
| Much of big tech became Product leaders running amok. Somehow It shifted from users know best to "Product" knows best. I think this all stemmed everyone wanting to be Apple except no one actually achieved it and now we have 3 different versions of the audio control panel in Windows, the start button is somehow in the middle of the screen, and windows search no longer searches your PC. Deleting "Product" might save windows, short of that, I am doubtful. |
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| ▲ | gnarlouse 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Apple achieved it with Mac OS X Snow Leopard. Apple then spent ~15 years un-achieving it. It started with iOS 7, and has culminated in the Liquid (Gl)ass era: a mess of unintuitive menus, terrible and inconsistent UI patterns, the lobotomite twins Siri & Apple Intelligence. Although, surprisingly, built on top of absolutely incredible silicon. |
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| ▲ | girvo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Although, surprisingly, built on top of absolutely incredible silicon. To me that's because thats a capital E "Engineering" driven task that Product can't get their grubby little mitts on and ruin. | | |
| ▲ | lmaoguy 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, it’s because product is now 100% the h1b class deciding what to do. Indian take over is real | | |
| ▲ | alsetmusic 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Pretty cool being racist. I noticed people from varying ethnic backgrounds seemed to land in particular divisions (maybe schools in those countries focused on these cores), but I wouldn't ascribe nationality to anything as broadly as you did. | |
| ▲ | LoganDark an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Minority in Apple R&D is mostly Asian, not Indian | | |
| ▲ | Henchman21 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I don't particularly care what their ethnicity happens to be. Just write good, bug free code that does things people want. How they get to there from here? No f'ing idea -- but I know that first they have to have to want to and they _clearly_ do not. |
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| ▲ | Aperocky 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It has posix shell, all is forgiven, can't complain about UI patterns that I never interact with. |
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| ▲ | MetaWhirledPeas 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've never been bothered by Windows's changes, and I mostly think they were reasonable. But for a number of reasons it's never going to be easy for them to gain total acceptance: 1) the massive backwards compatibility back to Windows 95 stuff, 2) the willingness to try new and/or silly things that Apple is too stuffy to try, and 3) the fact that there's only ever going to be one "flavor" of Windows; if we were stuck with one single Linux distro people would be complaining about that one too. |
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| ▲ | chasil 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are two major problems with modern Windows. The first is coercion. Installing without a Microsoft (Outlook) account is more and more difficult. An attentive steward of Windows would allow older gui themes (xp, Win7 Aero, etc.) to be applied for the nostalgic. And there would be an easy control to disable all Copilot integration. Microsoft is coercive towards their customers with these and other actions. The second is incompetence. The Windows update process is intrusive, lengthy, and prone to repeatedly bricking unlucky PCs. Linux updates are far more pleasant. These are big problems, and I agree, it will take great institutional change to curb these abusive tendencies. I don't know if they can. | |
| ▲ | econ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you have two candidate ui designs you pick the best of the two. If you have an established ui and a candidate the new design needs to be dramatically better. It has to scream superiority. If it isn't that you are just ruining ux. I install Gimp one time. I like to casual draw on autopilot, usually while doing something else, talking, watching a movie, listening to a podcast etc. For some reason half the icons were missing and the existing set was replaced with the hipster horrifying flat single color monstrosities. This would have been a waste of their time if it was only an option for no one who wants this some place buried deep in the settings where it would only clutter the nesaserily complex options. With MS it feels more like intentionally trolling the user The best spot for the applications sub menu is to not make it a sub menu. The second best is to leave it wherever the fuck it was before. I want to struggle remembering what an application was called and wonder why they are organized so poorly. (Not by file Association) In stead they have me wonder where they even are??? | | |
| ▲ | Induane 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm actually not sure what you're saying about GIMP. I mean - I understand the frustration, the "button groups" or whatever they did to declutter things made things (imo) worse; I don't think it's a good default. BUT I don't actually understand your sentences for the most part. I really had to work to glean what you were talking about. I'm not trying to be insulting here; sometimes I write in inscrutable ways too. But - could you reword a few things so I know what you're trying to say? | | |
| ▲ | econ an hour ago | parent [-] | | I've never been sentenced to repeating myself. I'm sure people normally hope for improvements in silence without informing me. Thanks! The general point was that "Improvement" that ruin muscle memory usually aren't. It should be the most basic UI design principle. One should be able to instinctively click on the Gmail icon while focused on the task at hand. If the icon isn't where one expects it to be you are no longer doing email things. Same goes for having the user search for the inbox inside the application. If they can't find it they are unproductive and feel dumb but they aren't to blame. Some bad designer came up with the brilliant idea to call it "all mail". The inbox is expected to live at the top of the menu. You can't improve it. It's such basic stuff. It's like someone used your tools or your kitchen and put everything in a new spot. Eh, I mean the wrong spot. I could give 1000 example inside windows but it seems everyone is trolling their users. They all want to create the new and improved slashdot, now without threaded discussions! - Hurray! |
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| ▲ | coffe2mug an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would say the primary reason that windows still is acceptable is familiarity and games. Nothing else. Non tech people don't care about control panel etc. they just go through the pain of entering the WiFi password. Done. - gamers. Double click install - go on. I know very few gamers that have moved to Linux. And corporate. Most normies that I know DON'T have own computers. Everything can be done via smartphone these days. | |
| ▲ | alsetmusic 15 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > 1) the massive backwards compatibility Greatest strength. Greatest papercut. | |
| ▲ | conception 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Windows compatibility is pretty overrated at this point. There are a bevy of programs we use commercially that are quite old that just don’t work on 11, and not well on 10. Compatibility mode only gets you do far. |
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| ▲ | Traubenfuchs 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > windows search no longer searches your PC Absolutely baffling, when the perfect, magical, instant, high performance search tool has existed for a decade at least: "Everything" One of THE BEST windows apps. |
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| ▲ | mulmen 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| At this point Apple isn't even Apple. Product ate the world. I don't remember the last time someone came to me with a customer problem to solve. It's all warring fiefdoms. |
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| ▲ | bombcar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Perhaps AI is taking off because it is the only thing actually listening to customer problems. | | |
| ▲ | Lammy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Monkey's paw curls: listening to customers, except literally and 24/7. | |
| ▲ | macNchz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Great point. Just last week I used AI to build a minimal replacement for a SaaS tool I’ve used in the past that has obnoxious feature gating/price tiers. My version isn’t nearly a complete replica, but it has the base functionality I want without having to feel like someone spent hundreds of hours perfecting price tiers with artificial limitations that annoy me just enough to upgrade. Getting a tool that did exactly what I wanted with no fuss was delightful. | |
| ▲ | nlawalker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Best insight I’ve seen today, thanks for this! |
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| ▲ | Already__Taken 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Someone called it a number of years ago once each kind of brand new apple device couldn't plug into each other without a dongle. | |
| ▲ | _doctor_love 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's like...like a game...of thrones... |
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| ▲ | Lammy 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > and now we have 3 different versions of the audio control panel in Windows And yet somehow none of them are as nice as https://eartrumpet.app/ lol |
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| ▲ | branon 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Even this cannot adjust volume levels independently for multiple tabs in the same browser, which I have always been able to do on linux with pulseaudio/pipewire. People on windows use browser extensions for this, with full access to all tabs/sites... | |
| ▲ | accoil 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What makes that nicer than the built in volume mixer? | |
| ▲ | tangwwwei 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | had to stop using eartrumpet cos it kept randomly pulling the cpu to near 100%. updating didnt help |
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