| ▲ | 999900000999 3 hours ago |
| Normal people can not install an OS. Aside from like 3 ThinkPads on Lenovo's website, you can't really buy Linux pre installed on a computer. This is about the MacBook Neo coming for the budget laptop market. At 500$ it's an easy choice. |
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| ▲ | robotnikman 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Valve and devices like the Steam Deck and soon the Steam Machine are also grabbing the gaming segment away from Windows. Distros like Bazzite also are enticing to those technically inclined enough to boot from a USB drive and run the simple installer. |
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| ▲ | econ an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That might be what they think. I just installed windows and it had countless dialogs. Most have a reason to exist but it's a lot of work. The Ubuntu live usb on the other hand just boots into the desktop environment. It just works? There is nothing to do? |
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| ▲ | Induane 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those and System76 of course. Plus the SteamDeck is Linux, as are a number of other handheld gaming systems. The new Steam Machine is as well. |
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| ▲ | gerdesj 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There are an awful lot of groups installing Linux on Win 10 cast offs around the world. My uncle runs one in Bradford on Avon and they are slapping on an OS for you whilst you supp tea and chat. Often, the user-agent is set to something Microsoftie in the browser. If necessary Edge is installed but that is frowned on 8) I have not heard of this MacBook Neo thing ... Why would ? I only own a little IT company and hang around on HN. |
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| ▲ | reverius42 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 2 things: 1. The usage statistics don't reflect your anecdotal Linux usage; Linux desktop/laptop usage share has not grown that significantly in 20 years and Windows remains quite dominant. 2. MacBook Neo was widely discussed on HN not very long ago, and I'd think if anything an owner of an IT company would be more aware of it than an average HN user. It's definitely going to shake up the market for lower-end laptops. | | |
| ▲ | gerdesj an hour ago | parent [-] | | 1. The devil is in the details: How are those stats gathered? Many, if not most Linux users hide their OS affiliation via USER-AGENT 2. Missed it or perhaps blanked it. It really will not shake up the lower end because anyone wanting a lower end laptop (whatever that is) will insist on it running Windows and not Apples. There is a really good reason why car manufacturers run multiple marques - the budget, standard and premium ones. Attempting to put the Apple "premium shine" on a budget effort may backfire spectacularly (and devalue the entire brand) or maybe they will somehow manage to re-invent marketing. | | |
| ▲ | macintux an hour ago | parent [-] | | The Neo is a quality laptop. It's not a cheap laptop with Apple lipstick. Apple made a significant number of tradeoffs to reach $500, but for a budget user, they're reasonable tradeoffs. |
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| ▲ | queuebert an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| System76 sells some pretty nice computers with Linux preinstalled. Not to mention every Chromebook is a Linux machine. |
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| ▲ | cantalopes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yes they absolutely can. Nowadays it's as simple as clicking "install" from inside windows to try a linux distro |
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| ▲ | VerifiedReports 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "from inside Windows" That's a problem right there. | | |
| ▲ | Ajakks an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This is why Linux doesn't exist on more PCs - this is a problem. Imagine a plumber talking about how much better his toilet is than everyone else's - bc everyone believes only a plumber can install it (which was truth for most of Linux history and general PC users). Nobody took it seriously bc they took it as mostly an odd humblebrag for niche Windows haters. | | | |
| ▲ | casey2 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not when Windows is actively pushing people away. New computers are a tiny market, people stay with their old computers for decades now. |
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| ▲ | janalsncm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Correct. And they usually don’t install windows on their computer either. The 8 year old laptop they got at Best Buy had it pre installed. So if Linux is going to go mainstream it’ll be because stores start offering PCs with Linux that are at a $140 discount. |
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| ▲ | casey2 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| These days it's as easy as running a powershell script. There is 0 functional barrier to installing Linux from any windows machine. Soon the same will be true for the Neo. |
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| ▲ | iAMkenough 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Normal people will be expected to upgrade to Windows 12 next year after seeing "your hardware isn't supported" Windows Update messages, without any idea of what an NPU is or why it's a system requirement to receive a system upgrade. I think this is in response to slightly abnormal people trying Steam OS and other user-friendly Linux distros as they grow increasingly annoyed with Windows 11 antics. |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Normal people can definitely install an OS. Last weekend I set aside time help a friend install CachyOS. They'd never used a terminal before and wanted some help. When I called them, they had already set it up and was playing Risk of Rain 2. They started streaming for me on the Discord Flatpak they installed from the app store. |
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| ▲ | hungryhobbit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Define normal. I would argue at least 75% of the US population has zero interest in learning how to install a new OS, let alone actually do so themselves. I say this as a decades-long Linux user (who has tried to evangelize it many times). | | |
| ▲ | com2kid 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Gamers are one of the few demographics still buying new Windows PCs. There are now so many discord servers and subreddits filled with people discussing which Linux distro to use. Honestly for your average home consumer, there isn't much need for a Windows PC now days. | |
| ▲ | 999900000999 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can't drive stick. This doesn't mean if someone gave me a manual car I wouldn't try to learn. If your around a bunch of car people then it's much easier to over estimate how many people will want to drive stick. | |
| ▲ | sankalpnarula 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would argue its close to 99% of the population. Technical people like us usually live in a bubble. | | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > has zero interest in learning Well I can agree with that, but that's not the same thing as being incapable of doing it. Both of my parents could easily install Linux, it's infantilizing to argue that they can't fill out a user wizard and select a drive to wipe. | | |
| ▲ | bakugo 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > and select a drive to wipe You are vastly overestimating the percentage of the population that knows what a "drive" is. Not saying that's a good thing, but it's the reality. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You don't have to know. The Calamares installer annotates your partitions and explains what will happen in natural language. If you can order a pizza online, you can install Linux. |
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| ▲ | lp0_on_fire 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don’t disagree that installing windows/macos and certain Linux distros can be stupid easy but to a layman it’s daunting. In my experience most people who use a computing device may be able to tell me “this is window” or “this is Mac” by virtue of the branding being all over the stuff but for all intents and purposes these things are appliances. In the same way most people except ambitious DIYers don’t rip apart their 500-1000 dollar washing machine to replace a worn belt the call a repair guy. Or in your case, have a buddy who knows how to do it. |
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