Both of them promised to help their government illegally mass surveil and mass kill people. One of them just didn't want it done to US citizens.

I'm not a US citizen, so both companies are the same, as far as I'm concerned.

▲

hungryhobbit 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You are absolutely correct that both are evil ... as are most corporations.

Still, I feel like "will commit illegal mass murder against their own citizens" is a significant enough degree more evil. I think lots of corporations will help their government murder citizens of other countries, but very few would go so far as to agree to murder their own (fellow) citizens ... just to get a juicy contract.

▲

stavros 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I see your viewpoint but, to me, "both will happily murder you but one is better because they won't murder ME!" isn't very compelling. Like, I get it, but also it changes nothing for me. They're both bad.

▲

hungryhobbit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not about "won't murder me" it's about "won't murder their own tribe". Humans are very tribal creatures, and we have all sorts of built-in societal taboos about betraying our tribe.

We also have taboos against betraying/murdering/whatever people of other tribes, but those taboos are much weaker and get relaxed sometimes (eg. in war). My point is, it takes significantly more anti-social (ie. evil) behavior to betray your own tribe, in the deepest way possible, than it does to do horrible things to other tribes.

This is just as much true for Russians murdering Ukranians as Ukranians murdering Russians, or any other conflict group: almost all Russians would consider a Russian who helps kill Russians to be more evil than a Russian who kills Ukranians (and vice versa).

	▲	stavros 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Right, but I consider someone who'll murder exclusively other tribes to be infinitely closer to someone who'll murder their own tribe than to someone who won't murder anyone.

▲

cyanydeez 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

watching trump get elected twice; you can see why americanos have no problemos with mental backflips when choosing.

But you're still choosing evil when you could try local models

▲

kykat 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Will you send me an H100?

▲

cyanydeez 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you doing something that actually demands it? Have you tried local models on either the mac or AMD395+?

	▲	kykat 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I will be able to do something that demands it once I have it ;)
	▲	HWR_14 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Will you send me an AMD395+ or a new Mac that can handle the local models? That would probably be enough for me.