I guess I just don't believe your estimate. I think you're grossly underestimating how far we can get through these kinds of approaches.

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anonym29 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That's fair, reasonable minds can disagree on the numbers and even magnitude here.

What I would challenge you to consider is this: where do we draw the "good enough" line, where we finally stop sacrificing freedom over the devices we purchased under terms that originally included freedom, control, and ownership at the altar of protecting the vulnerable?

Do scam victims need to be 0.1% of all Android users? 0.01%? 0.0001%? Should this extend to computers too - should local admin become completely unavailable to all Windows users? Should root become unavailable to all Mac users? To all Linux users? Should you be allowed to own technology at all, or merely rent it as a managed service, to protect those who cannot be trusted to own devices without getting scammed?

	▲	dataflow 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It really feels like you're replying to a completely different comment than mine? Absolutely nothing you're responding to here is consistent with what I wrote (except your very first sentence)... > What I would challenge you to consider is this: where do we draw the "good enough" line, where we finally stop sacrificing freedom over the devices we purchased under terms that originally included freedom, control, and ownership at the altar of protecting the vulnerable? There's nothing to challenge here. The method I proposed keeps you fully in control and owning your device. Anybody can follow that process if they want. It's not like I said each person has to get approval from Google before enabling developer mode on their phone. > Do scam victims need to be 0.1% of all Android users? 0.01%? 0.0001%? This is not some kind of paradox like you're making it out to be. A very reasonable starting point would be "get this scam rate down to match {that of another less-common scam}". Iterate until/unless new data comes along suggesting otherwise. > Should this extend to computers too - should local admin become completely unavailable to all Windows users? Should root become unavailable to all Mac users? To all Linux users? "Too"?! Where did I ever suggest root should be "completely unavailable" to all Android users? > Should you be allowed to own technology at all, or merely rent it as a managed service, to protect those who cannot be trusted to own devices without getting scammed? Where did I suggest any of this?