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ginko 8 hours ago

Not to be a stickler (ok I like being a stickler) but temperature delta, especially deltas between degrees celsius, should be given in kelvin. A 1.8K difference makes sense. A 1.8C difference would be 274.8 kelvin!

hexer292 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is probably the most ridiculous comment I've read in the history of this website.

There is no difference in the amount of energy 1 degree Celsius delta and 1 degree Kelvin delta represents.

The only (and I really mean only) difference is how zero energy is defined. It is not possible to have negative energy, and that zero Celsius represents the freezing point of water is an artifact of convenience, not of absolute definition.

hexer292 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also, the way Kelvin is defined necessitates that both degrees are identical. If 10 degrees Celcius defined the boiling point of water at 1 atmosphere (or whatever the actual definition is) then Kelvin would be smaller by a factor of 10. And this applies to both negative and positive K values.

zippyman55 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ranking, Celsius, Centigrade have the degrees. Kelvin is a base unit, absolute and no degree!

_Microft 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Taking differences between degrees Celsius values is absolutely fine.

Ratios are undefined because the Celsius scale has no absolute zero while the Kelvin scale has.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_measurement

Terr_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> A 1.8K difference makes sense. A 1.8C difference would be 274.8 kelvin!

I think there was some insight here that went off on a bad tangent leading to a math word-problem mistake, confusing these two:

1. A difference... between [X] and [Y], which is a delta of 1.8°C

2. A difference... between [0°K] and a reading of [1.8°C], which is a delta 274.95°K.

atombender 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Celsius is not an absolute scale, but that isn't a problem for deltas: (10C - 5C)=5C, (10K-5K)=5K. Celsius is only problematic when multiplying or dividing. 10C is not twice as hot as 5C.

hn_throwaway_99 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That makes no sense. A difference between a read of 37C and 38.8C is still 1.8C.

ginko 8 hours ago | parent [-]

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hn_throwaway_99 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Dude, you are just completely making shit up, and it makes no sense.

So what if Celsius and Kelvin have different 0 points - they are still valid scales and you can talk about differences between 2 measurements.

According to your logic it would be impossible to state that two Fahrenheit measurements differ by some number of degrees F - why, I have no idea.

dekhn 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm not entirely sure what point you are trying to make, but this is absolutely false from a scientific perspective.

If you believe otherwise, please provide some citations to your beliefs so we can understand what you are trying to say.

hexer292 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Saying something is false and then asking for citations doesn't seem that helpful to me.

To support your argument, take the following example:

Lets take some water at 273.15 Kelvin and add 1 Kelvin of energy to it. The water is now at 274.15 Kelvin. The difference is of 1 Kelvin.

If we had the same amount of water at 0 degrees Celsius and added 1 Celsius of energy, the water would now be at 1 Celcius.

Converting these values leave us with 273.15 Kelvin and 274.15 Kelvin respectively.

You can repeat this experiment (ignoring latent heat) for any value of Kelvin or Celsius, therefore Kevlin and Celsius are interchangeable in reference to temperature comparasion.

dekhn 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I believe any chemistry or physics textbook will state (possibly indirectly) how temperature deltas work.

But I think it's sufficient to just say that Kelvin and Celsius have the same scale magnitude and just a constant offset.

alistairSH 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kelvin and Celsius use the same unit magnitudes. It would be a 1.8* difference either way.

altairprime 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"A 1.8C difference" expands as "A difference of 1.8C" expands as, and here's the ambiguity, either:

"An absolute difference of 1.8C, or 274.8K, measured between A and B"

or

"A relative difference of 1.8C, or 1.8K, is added/subtracted to A/B in order to reach B/A"

I don't think the context-free variant with K will improve understanding and decrease confusability in this discussion context, but I appreciate the pointer about it in general. I'll take a lot more care around it in a future thread about space apparel!

hightrix 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be a stickler, communication requires respect for your audience. The vast majority of everyone understands a 1.8 degree C delta. I would argue that very few people anywhere would understand a temperature delta given in kelvin.

ginko 8 hours ago | parent [-]

How is expecting readers to not understand what a kelvin is respecting the audience?

hightrix 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You misread.

Most people do not understand temperature on the Kelvin scale. As such, you should not use it to communicate in a general setting such as this.

hexer292 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The same way expecting you understand what a Kelvin is isn't respectful to you.

stackghost 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>A 1.8C difference would be 274.8 kelvin!

Categorically and factually incorrect.

A 1.8 degree C different would be 1.8 kelvin. The two degrees have different zero points but one degree Celsius and one degree Kelvin are identical in magnitude.

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