> Tell that to the 1200+ civilians murdered, raped, mutilated and burned alive on October 7th.

It's pretty clear that a substantial number of them were killed by the Israeli military in the course of its deliberate war crime of indiscriminate attack with civilians in the line of fire under the "Hannibal Directive". Investigations by Israeli and Western media and numerous Israeli (both military sources and civilian witnesses) accounts support this.

Its gotten relatively little play in US media specifically, but US media acts as a propaganda arm of the IDF and the Israeli government as much (even more, arguably) than it does for the domestic military and police forces, ignoring damaging stories, and when it can't completely ignore them using exonerative and passive voice framing to avoid attributing effects to the actors and actions causing them.

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magic_hamster 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> substantial number of them were killed by the Israeli military

Let me stop you right there, the Palestinian (hamas) raid on Israel was livestreamed for the psychological terror effect, and there is absolutely a mountain of videos showing how everything happened. There's an overwhelming number of witness accounts telling the horrors committed by Palestinians towards families in their homes, the music festival, etc. You can still visit the places they torched ny hand. Please don't spread disinformation on October 7th.

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dragonwriter 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Let me stop you right there, the Palestinian (hamas) raid on Israel was livestreamed for the psychological terror effect, and there is absolutely a mountain of videos showing how everything happened.

No, there aren't videos showing how "everything" happened. There are videos showing a part of what happened, and you are extrapolating how everything happened from the subset of those that you have seen, even though you acknowledge that they were created as a propaganda effort to create exactly the impression you have derived from them.

	▲	magic_hamster 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The videos, the security cameras footage, alongside numerous first hand accounts paint a very clear, minute by minute picture, which I'm not sure you bothered to look into. Hamas raided numerous towns near Gaza where they murdered people and children in their homes. This is where most people died. This and the music festival where people literally came to dance peacefully. Under no circumstances did IDF kill 1200 Israeli civilians on October 7th, or "a substantial" part. This is disinformation and Hamas propaganda, and any source even implying this is lying to your face.