In essentially all cases where a Waymo and a human-driven car have collided, the human driver has clearly been at fault. This seems definitive and not susceptible to cherry picking.

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tjoff 10 hours ago | parent [-]

That could just be, and seems to be in some cases at least, because Waymo doesn't behave like a human would, and people gets tripped up.

I don't doubt Waymos are very safe, but I always irk at these comparisons. Majority of human accidents are due to gross negligence and/or driving under some influence or serious fatigue. A system incapable of alcohol etc. is better than that? Well that is a substantially lower bar than you can possibly imagine. Add to that that all systems have constraints on how and where they are able to go. Combined even Tesla can be made to look good.

Depending on the context and question it might still be the question to pose. But people often make the leap to assume that a typical Waymo is x better than a typical human driver which is an entirely different question entirely.

Waymo is for sure one of the (if not the only) good players out there though, gives me some hope.

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srini 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think the other way to think about it is that Waymo is probably in the 99th percentile for not being distracted and 99th percentile for reaction time, always, just from a pure sensor and computation standpoint.

Even the best human can't say that, at all times?

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JumpCrisscross 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> could just be, and seems to be in some cases at least, because Waymo doesn't behave like a human would, and people gets tripped up

Driving conventions vary wildly across states and even within them. And foreign drivers are a thing. A human who gets tripped up by a Waymo acting unusually will also get confused by someone getting used to no turns on right in Manhattan, driving on the right side of the road if coming in from the Commonwealth or adapting from California's protected left turners can turn into any lane, not just the leftmost. They'll also get confused by children and pets, who aren't bound by social custom, and deer, who aren't bound by physics.

	▲	tjoff 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		... no? That children, animals etc. acts differently everyone knows. But what about a self-driving car that looks the same as every other car? Anyway, it was Waymos own findings when they started out. They got into more accidents, none of which where their own fault, than expected and realized that they had to make it behave more like a human to not confuse human drivers.