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BobaFloutist 4 hours ago

The one thing I'll say in defense of American cops is that they are police a population that's vastly more likely to have their own guns, too.

Of course it's not like American cops have recognized the danger that poses and politically aligned themselves with reducing or restricting access to guns, so they lose a lot of credit there, but they are genuinely facing a better armed and therefore more dangerous population.

roryirvine 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

To be fair, guns aren't exactly unknown in NI, either!

There are 153k people who have legal firearms (so about 10% of the adult population, vs about three times that in the US). That's largely farmers with shotgun licenses (NI is pretty rural by European standards) plus licensed "weapons for personal protection" for people exposed to threats for whatever reason as a legacy of the Troubles.

And then there are some unknown number with illegally-held guns - the main armed groups put their weapons "beyond use" as part of the decommissioning process in the 2000s, but inevitably some will have been missed, and then there are the dissident groups who still hold significant amounts of weaponry.

Hard to put an exact figure on it, but if you guesstimate it at a weapons ownership rate at about half that of the US you probably wouldn't be too far from the truth.

So even after accounting for the differential in gun ownership, SFPD are still shooting people at ~25x the rate of the PSNI.

atherton94027 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Canada has the same rates of gun ownership as America and you don't see cops come up with guns blazing like they do here

EdwardDiego 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If Canada is like New Zealand, which also has a similarly high rate of gun ownership - it's largely different types of guns - that is, guns for hunting, not for killing people - very hard to conceal a rifle or shotgun compared to a pistol.

dogemaster2025 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Let’s bring data:

Civilian firearms per 100 people: - US = 120.5 vs Canada = 34.7

Share of adults with guns: - US = 32% vs Canada = 19%

Share who CARRY a gun: - US = 26% of handgun owners carry all the time and 32% most of the time vs Canada = almost nobody carries

Source: ChatGPT

ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Let’s bring data:

> Source: ChatGPT

Please tell me this is a joke?

dogemaster2025 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why? Do you have different data or you just don’t like the numbers?

- https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...

- https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/guns-an...

- https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2025001/article...

snakeboy an hour ago | parent [-]

I fail to understand why you cited ChatGPT in the first comment instead of just linking the sources in the first place. That was obviously the critique of your comment, and it seems bad-faith to claim it was because they "just don't like the numbers".

lIl-IIIl an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree and have the same reaction, but I also wonder how long before we accept "ChatGPT" source like we do Wikipedia.

For ChatGpt answers we reasonably expect to cite actual sources rather than "Source: ChatGPT".

For Wikipedia, most of us just stop at "Source: Wikipedia".

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Open-Sourcery 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"My source is that I made it the fuck up"

dogemaster2025 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ok let me spoon feed you too. Remember never to bring useless commentary to a data fight:

- https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts...

- https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/guns-an...

- https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/75-006-x/2025001/article...