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| ▲ | mothballed 3 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Pulling a percentage out of my ass that can't be terribly inaccurate, 99% of police encounters with guns drawn the police are under 21 ft away, at which distance a knife is as dangerous as a gun. If someone is less than 21 ft from you and they are going to be using a knifes against you, then you should still draw a gun just as often as if they had a gun. So at <21 ft you think guns should be drawn less because they have knives you should also be thinking guns drawn the ~exact amount less no matter which of the 2 weapon they had. | | |
| ▲ | rpdillon 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm glad you're making this point. It's something that only people trained in combat would know, and it's very non-intuitive. But it has to do with reaction times, how quickly the person wielding the gun can pull the trigger, and how quickly the person wielding the knife can move. That 21 feet can close blindingly fast. | |
| ▲ | tverbeure 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And one way or the other, none of that is a problem is other countries. | | |
| ▲ | mothballed 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I don't dispute that. But in most those 'other countries' literally anyone could be hiding a knife as easily as someone in US could be hiding a gun. So it appears in the vast majority of the cases where people are already right next to each other where both a knife or gun could kill someone, whether it is a knife or a gun is almost a moot point. It's only at a distance that you can treat a knife as a less lethal threat. Therefore the problem lies with the police, by vast majority. | | |
| ▲ | bean469 2 days ago | parent [-] | | A knife is not equivalent to a gun. One is a kitchen appliance that can be used as a rather ineffective weapon, the other is a tool literally designed for eliminating life as efficiently as possible Disarming someone who poses a threat with a knife (especially via the use of modern equipment) is absolutely possible and can be performed in most cases with training, even with just one officer. Meanwhile, disarming someone with a gun is a much more complex task, often requiring a coordinated effort from multiple officers | | |
| ▲ | akimbostrawman 2 days ago | parent [-] | | >a knife (especially via the use of modern equipment) is absolutely possible and can be performed in most cases with training I want to see you attempt that in real life when someone is within 21 feet. If you watched enough training videos and the literal flood of body camera videos that show even tasers are more often than not infective you would not speak so conveniently about a split second life or death situation. | | |
| ▲ | bean469 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > I want to see you attempt that in real life when someone is within 21 feet Sadly I did not film it, but you could have been! I have attended multiple classes during which I had to disarm people with knives and other weird objects. It is absolutely possible with the right circumstances and training, but it's a completely different story when it comes to guns - the element of luck is much more meaningful, as a instructor who was shot quite a few times in their career has pointed out | | |
| ▲ | akimbostrawman 2 days ago | parent [-] | | You can but you absolutely should not try just because you can in training, its a last resort when it too late and all other options are not possible. |
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| ▲ | lucketone 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > under 21 ft away, at which distance a knife is as dangerous as a gun. No, it is not as dangerous. To use gun from 7 meters away, you have throw it, which takes way more movement hand movement and time. While you should not rely on it, it is very feasible to just move out of the way of the thrown knife. Other possibility getting closer to you. Running will take 2 seconds. (Not a lot, but definitely not as dangerous as a handgun) | | |
| ▲ | rpdillon 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | The statistic isn't related to thrown weapons. It's how quickly you can close the space between you and your adversary, as well as how much bearing drift you can create as you do so. |
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| ▲ | dogemaster2025 3 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | cortesoft 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Then you shouldn't be a police officer. We can't have a society where police shoot first and ask questions later just because they want to make sure there is zero risk to them. | | |
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